jaapv Posted July 25, 2013 Share #21 Posted July 25, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks but how can you "feel" that it's easier to focus?Speak for yourself; I don't feel focus, I see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Hi jaapv, Take a look here M 240 focussing. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
digitalfx Posted July 26, 2013 Share #22 Posted July 26, 2013 ... or one's eyes are still wide after receiving one's shiny, new M240. Pete. hardly...Ive had my M for 4 months and there is a clear difference. This is not a placebo, in one of the interviews with Stefan Daniels he mentions it as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 26, 2013 Share #23 Posted July 26, 2013 Stefan Daniel talks about the M rangefinder in the interview with Thorsten on this page (at about 10:46), where he says that although the structure was taken from the M9, the accuracy was improved. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
120 Posted July 26, 2013 Share #24 Posted July 26, 2013 Not really a guess.... Maybe the patch is just easier to make out and you focus better. Which is also someone's guess; take your pick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bundestrainer Posted July 26, 2013 Share #25 Posted July 26, 2013 Speak for yourself; I don't feel focus, I see it. I also see it with my M9 and if nothing has changed in an optical way, how can you have the impressing it's more precise while focusing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 26, 2013 Share #26 Posted July 26, 2013 I also see it with my M9 and if nothing has changed in an optical way, how can you have the impressing it's more precise while focusing? Did you watch the interview above? Stefan Daniel said the structure of the rangefinder from the M9 was used in the M..."but also improved" If you have used the M9, then try the M and you will see that is it easier to get accurate focus quickly. How? I have no idea, all I can say is that the difference is apparent immediately upon using the M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 26, 2013 Share #27 Posted July 26, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I also see it with my M9 and if nothing has changed in an optical way, how can you have the impressing it's more precise while focusing? Because there is less flare in the viewfinder due to the lack of external window so the focus patch is more contrasty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 26, 2013 Share #28 Posted July 26, 2013 I also see it with my M9 and if nothing has changed in an optical way, how can you have the impressing it's more precise while focusing? The focussing action is more precise than the M9. All M owners that commented on the forum found the rangefinder more precise, Leica told us the manufacturing tolerance has increased for greater precision and easier focussing. I must confess that I am a bit lost as to what your are trying to say. Everybody who uses the M is wrong and those that haven't used it are right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 26, 2013 Share #29 Posted July 26, 2013 Because there is less flare in the viewfinder due to the lack of external window so the focus patch is more contrasty.I'm not quite sure about that as it would depend on the light falling on the original focus patch. It is more constant, that is for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bundestrainer Posted July 26, 2013 Share #30 Posted July 26, 2013 The focussing action is more precise than the M9. All M owners that commented on the forum found the rangefinder more precise, Leica told us the manufacturing tolerance has increased for greater precision and easier focussing. I must confess that I am a bit lost as to what your are trying to say. Everybody who uses the M is wrong and those that haven't used it are right? I'm not trying to say anything, I'm just raising a question. And as it seems everybody else seems to have understood my question. To put my question in other words: I'm just wondering what the perceivable (optical) changes among focusing with an M240 and an M9 are. What is the thing that makes focusing easier and more precise? ICT tried to explain. I can't judge if he's right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterleica Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share #31 Posted July 26, 2013 Jaap As i started this thread i have the perfect solution to end it -- you can supply me your m240 on a permanent "loan basis " and i will give feedback on the focus every week up until the new m260 arrives . now everybody's happy:) Regards from South-Africa Walter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 26, 2013 Share #32 Posted July 26, 2013 hardly...Ive had my M for 4 months and there is a clear difference. This is not a placebo, in one of the interviews with Stefan Daniels he mentions it as well. I should explain: my comment was intended as an amuse-bouche not a pop at the M240's viewfinder. MY M240's viewfinder shows similar improvement. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 26, 2013 Share #33 Posted July 26, 2013 I'm not trying to say anything, I'm just raising a question. And as it seems everybody else seems to have understood my question. To put my question in other words: I'm just wondering what the perceivable (optical) changes among focusing with an M240 and an M9 are. What is the thing that makes focusing easier and more precise? ICT tried to explain. I can't judge if he's right. Who can judge if he is right? Thats the point, nobody but Leica knows for sure and they haven't revealed any details. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
120 Posted July 26, 2013 Share #34 Posted July 26, 2013 ... Leica told us the manufacturing tolerance has increased for greater precision and easier focusing. ... I am sorry if I missed that somewhere. Where did Leica say they improved the tolerances in the rangefinder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpwhite Posted July 26, 2013 Share #35 Posted July 26, 2013 Did you watch the interview above? Stefan Daniel said the structure of the rangefinder from the M9 was used in the M..."but also improved" If you have used the M9, then try the M and you will see that is it easier to get accurate focus quickly. How? I have no idea, all I can say is that the difference is apparent immediately upon using the M. When I picked my M240 up at my dealer's not-so-well lit store and looked through the viewfinder, it was instantly apparent that the VF was much brighter and the framelines + focus patch were more crisp than M9... I posted such a thread months ago, actually. So back to Walter's question, why is he getting more M240 related orders if the M240 is, in fact, easier to focus than the M9? Perhaps one component in this correlation between M240 roll out and increased sales of the new Walter eyepiece might be LF forum traffic during this period. Is there a way to find out if Forum clicks/viewing has increased since March 1. 2013? BTW, I have Walter eyepieces on both my M240 and MM. Because of mild/medium astigmatism in left shooting eye, I would need to shoot everything at f/8 without these excellent eyepieces Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 27, 2013 Share #36 Posted July 27, 2013 I'm not trying to say anything, I'm just raising a question. And as it seems everybody else seems to have understood my question. To put my question in other words: I'm just wondering what the perceivable (optical) changes among focusing with an M240 and an M9 are. What is the thing that makes focusing easier and more precise? ICT tried to explain. I can't judge if he's right. I said it a few times before - the mechanical tolerances in the focussing mechanism are tighter. It turns out that that makes a considerable difference. There are no optical changes,except that the brightness of the framelines/rangefinder patch is more controlled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 27, 2013 Share #37 Posted July 27, 2013 I am sorry if I missed that somewhere. Where did Leica say they improved the tolerances in the rangefinder? .. Stefan Daniel talks about the M rangefinder in the interview with Thorsten on this page (at about 10:46), where he says that although the structure was taken from the M9, the accuracy was improved. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 27, 2013 Share #38 Posted July 27, 2013 Jaap As i started this thread i have the perfect solution to end it -- you can supply me your m240 on a permanent "loan basis " and i will give feedback on the focus every week up until the new m260 arrives . now everybody's happy:) Regards from South-Africa Walter You can play with it if you want, I'll be in Mozambique and Malawi in October. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
120 Posted July 27, 2013 Share #39 Posted July 27, 2013 ... He doesn't say anything about "mechnical tolerances," or any tolerances. I think this idea came from the forum, not from Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterleica Posted July 27, 2013 Author Share #40 Posted July 27, 2013 You can play with it if you want, I'll be in Mozambique and Malawi in October. Jaap I will be waiting for you and the M at the airport...on another note..I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the Leica forum experts and you in particular for the unselfish advice you have given us youngsters over the years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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