Rick Posted July 7, 2013 Author Share #181 Posted July 7, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, the things thighslapper mentioned have been brought out by this thread. Clearly, without a survey that queried owners we would have nothing but hearsay comments that have little meaning. If, you can wade through the sour grapes in this thread there is an overall theme of reliability along with some specific camera issues that should be moved to separate threads so those folks can be helped and have a place to voice and discuss these issues. Personally, after reading this thread of so many owners that have rock solid cameras, if I had a dud-camera that locked up or had other issues, I'd take it back so fast and dump it on the camera store counter and ask for my money back or a new one. The survey clearly shows that a group of owners are not having problems. Why stick around here complaining and arguing about the legitimacy of the survey and calling me arrogant? Honestly, I think your frustration is misdirected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 Hi Rick, Take a look here Leica M Typ 240: Unreliable or Reliable - Survey. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Guy2 Posted July 7, 2013 Share #182 Posted July 7, 2013 Yes. Cautiously. No issues that I would class as affecting reliability (i.e. the ability to take proper photos when I want to), but in review mode when zooming in on a shot, sometimes the whole screen takes on a rather peculiar lilac tinge. Like a purple filter over the whole thing. Only when zoomed in, and it won't go away without turning the camera off and then on again. It's clearly a bug of some sort, and it's annoying, but it's far from a deal-breaker in a camera that outclasses my M8 by such a margin. Today I went to take some pictures and realised I'd left it on and run the battery down. But that's MY unreliability Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 8, 2013 Share #183 Posted July 8, 2013 I promised not to pollute this thread anymore. So sorry for this, but for a good cause you may want to say your opinion on this thread about opening real forum surveys/polls to mortal forum users: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/about-leica-forum/291710-site-improvement-proper-surveys.html Yes, it's donquixotesque Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 8, 2013 Share #184 Posted July 8, 2013 It is really interesting that you got hung up on the minutiae of the aperture recording in telling him he has the wrong camera. Read again. I'm not hung up - he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted July 8, 2013 Share #185 Posted July 8, 2013 CheshireCat, I can picture you smiling away there, but you must consider who really has the authority to conduct a poll. My understanding is that the forum owner, sometimes through his mods, has that right. If any 'Joe' that comes along wants a poll on 'how many times a day you go to the toilet' can set up poll, we would be in a real mess. Curiosity about some 'situation' is not, IMO, a good reason for a poll. An expected outcome as a result should at least be involved, and not just 'whaddya think' type polling. These are just my views, not necessarily those of admin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 8, 2013 Share #186 Posted July 8, 2013 If any 'Joe' that comes along wants a poll on 'how many times a day you go to the toilet' can set up poll, we would be in a real mess. Especially as each vote on a poll will bump it to the top of the forum again - see it happening on RFF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doolittle Posted July 8, 2013 Share #187 Posted July 8, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Quick Tally so Far: Yes - 37 Qualified* Yes - 6 No - 6 *Qualified being where respondent voted yes, but mentioned any lock-ups happening. I ignored the strap lug issue (ie left in yes, as Leica acknowledges it and fixes it, so not a reliability problem, more a QC issue). Ditto any other issue which isn't directly related to reliability. I included both a yes and a no for the person who had problems which resulted in replacement by a new camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ma9ical Posted July 8, 2013 Share #188 Posted July 8, 2013 Read again. I'm not hung up - he is. You're absolutely right, I would have got back to you earlier but then I was busy removing the bottom plate following a lock up. And then again. No big deal, I eventually managed to get it to work when I realised what I wanted to picture was gone. Since this happened to the M9 let us know if eventually it got fixed. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torquinian Posted July 13, 2013 Share #189 Posted July 13, 2013 Three months old It must be too early to say. The Minilux suffers from shutter failure [ not repairable] but only after five or more years of use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 13, 2013 Author Share #190 Posted July 13, 2013 You're absolutely right, I would have got back to you earlier but then I was busy removing the bottom plate following a lock up. And then again. No big deal, I eventually managed to get it to work when I realised what I wanted to picture was gone. Since this happened to the M9 let us know if eventually it got fixed. Cheers. Take back your M. You spent a lot of money on it. I don't understand why you guys that are having issues with a camera this expensive aren't returning them. I wouldn't put up with the problems you are having, knowing that most of us have perfectly functioning cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 14, 2013 Share #191 Posted July 14, 2013 Take back your M. You spent a lot of money on it. I don't understand why you guys that are having issues with a camera this expensive aren't returning them. I wouldn't put up with the problems you are having, knowing that most of us have perfectly functioning cameras. I believe we all have the same camera, we just use it (and the EVF) differently. I know several Leica users shooting with "white gloves", they do not use the camera in "harsh conditions" (snow, hot&humid places, not even at the beach). They just take a couple of shots at family meetings, show their beautiful camera to their friends, and are happy with it. I am starting to think that this is what a Leica user is supposed to be, and - my bad - I should have known better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 14, 2013 Share #192 Posted July 14, 2013 :confused:Where in this thread do you find a correlation between the way the camera is used and the problems a few users are having? Does this particular poster have problems removing the base plate because it is snowing? FYI, my week-old M has been at the beach twice already. And the (Olympus) EVF. It hasn't locked up. I must agree with Rick. If my M would have those problems it would be in its box at the dealer and the money I paid would have been refunded. Calling the lack of an accurate aperture readout and removal of the baseplate a reliability issue is just plain silly. It shows the poster up as a person who buys a 6300 Euro tool without even investigating what it is and what it does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted July 14, 2013 Share #193 Posted July 14, 2013 It seems like only last week I was in Antarctica, Neptune's Window to be precise, and I was removing the base plate in a snowstorm and changing the film in my M7. Just 36 shots later I did it again! Bit of a recidivist I guess. I didn't realize that was a 'problem'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 14, 2013 Share #194 Posted July 14, 2013 :confused:Where in this thread do you find a correlation between the way the camera is used and the problems a few users are having? In very few posts, and this is exactly my point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 14, 2013 Author Share #195 Posted July 14, 2013 I believe we all have the same camera, we just use it (and the EVF) differently. I know several Leica users shooting with "white gloves", they do not use the camera in "harsh conditions" (snow, hot&humid places, not even at the beach). They just take a couple of shots at family meetings, show their beautiful camera to their friends, and are happy with it. I am starting to think that this is what a Leica user is supposed to be, and - my bad - I should have known better. I think this thread points out that some people have cameras that lock up. Most don't. That is about all I get out of this thread. I have used every mode and the EVF is on the camera 80% of the time. I've shot videos and used R lenses and used every option and this camera doesn't lock up. I don't think it has to do with how I'm using it or not using it. But, I now believe that some small number of folks are having problems. I don't understand why. It sounds like a few cameras are duds. Return them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 14, 2013 Share #196 Posted July 14, 2013 ...I now believe that some small number of folks are having problems. I don't understand why. It sounds like a few cameras are duds. Return them. I would format my cards with SDFormatter to begin with and see what happens before sending the cam in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 14, 2013 Author Share #197 Posted July 14, 2013 I would format my cards with SDFormatter to begin with and see what happens before sending the cam in. For what it is worth, I don't use SD formatter. I do shoot classic mode, use the matrix mode for LV (better AWB?), and don't write to jpeg and DNG. I use DNG compressed only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 14, 2013 Share #198 Posted July 14, 2013 The thing I find surprising is the "some people" part. This is a standardized electronic device. Everybody should have these problems - or nobody. We should dig deeper for the cause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 20, 2013 Share #199 Posted July 20, 2013 I think this thread points out that some people have cameras that lock up. Most don't. That is about all I get out of this thread. I have used every mode and the EVF is on the camera 80% of the time. I've shot videos and used R lenses and used every option and this camera doesn't lock up. I don't think it has to do with how I'm using it or not using it. But, I now believe that some small number of folks are having problems. I don't understand why. It sounds like a few cameras are duds. Return them. My camera has locked up a handful of times...all when my 3 batteries were new. Since the batteries have gone thru several charge cycles I haven't experienced another lockup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 20, 2013 Author Share #200 Posted July 20, 2013 My camera has locked up a handful of times...all when my 3 batteries were new. Since the batteries have gone thru several charge cycles I haven't experienced another lockup. I've thought the same thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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