Paul J Posted June 27, 2013 Share #1 Posted June 27, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I just had a thought that since we now have an EVF it would be more feasible than ever to introduce a model which doesn't have an LCD on the back like what has often be rumoured in the past. I would love that, getting back further to pure and undistracted photography. The option would/could still be there to view back from EVF if desired (is this possible currently?) Anyone else here still interested in that idea? No LCD just an iso wheel ideally, or a small display for essential menu and maybe with a histogram. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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timd. Posted June 27, 2013 Share #2 Posted June 27, 2013 I just had a thought that since we now have an EVF it would be more feasible than ever to introduce a model which doesn't have an LCD on the back like what has often be rumoured in the past. I would love that, getting back further to pure and undistracted photography. The option would/could still be there to view back from EVF if desired (is this possible currently?) Anyone else here still interested in that idea? what about settings in the menu? not the things you need once in a year, but iso for example. do you want to attach the evf for simple things like that? i like the idea, but i feel there is more to do than leaving out the lcd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted June 27, 2013 Share #3 Posted June 27, 2013 Try it out, Gaffa tape will blank off your LCD. Report back. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted June 27, 2013 Share #4 Posted June 27, 2013 Start shooting film again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted June 27, 2013 Share #5 Posted June 27, 2013 .................I would love that, getting back further to pure and undistracted photography. .......... Paul, I think there is some enthusiasm for a screen-less digital camera, but I've never really understood it. I have my screen turned off so that if I need to use it I press the appropriate button, otherwise it may as well not be there. Actually removing it would not make any positive difference, and would simply take something away that's never in the way in the first place but can occasionally be extremely useful. If anything,removing it would make the camera and therefore the photographic experience less pure, because it would be a sort of artifice: it would be almost as though it were a digital camera pretending to be a film camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted June 27, 2013 Share #6 Posted June 27, 2013 it would be a sort of artifice: it would be almost as though it were a digital camera pretending to be a film camera. I think only if you see a "film camera" (or "digital camera") as something distinct from a "camera". I don't see any artifice in an LCD-less digital camera qua camera. Personally I would welcome such a camera if it meant the camera was thinner and less encumbered with buttons than it currently is. As a side note, I also wish the MP/M7 didn't have the ISO setting wheel protruding from the back:eek:. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theno23 Posted June 27, 2013 Share #7 Posted June 27, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Surely it would have to have more buttons, to make up for the fact that the display is missing? E.g. an ISO wheel would be needed, maybe a control for bracketing? Exposure mode? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted June 27, 2013 Share #8 Posted June 27, 2013 maybe a control for bracketing? If I want to bracket I use the shutter speed dial. Is there a different way of doing it? Exposure mode? I don't even know what that is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 27, 2013 Share #9 Posted June 27, 2013 As long as the EVF is the present one (clip-on, modest specs) I think that cutting out the LCD wouldn't be good, and this, apart my personal opinion that, at the end, shooting digital does need a "monitor".... too many regulations to perform... a smaller LCD just for settings would be a "halfway" between the "oldstyle lovers" (who would like the ABSENCE of any digital display) and the "native digitals" (who are largely accustomed to have a good LCD) and won't appeal any of the two groups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted June 27, 2013 Share #10 Posted June 27, 2013 I have image review turned off: however I frequently to almost always will do a quick check of exposure. I spend 1 or 2 seconds when I do this. I bought a new lens and an aftermarket shade for it so some tests were in order to check vignetting. It is not perfect, but it show if the situation is not worth pursuing. 75 Summicron has a very shallow shade, add a uv/ir cut for when I will use on the M8 and it become even more shallow. Got two 49 mm B+W screw in`s , one an inch deep, one about 2 in deep. Preliminary test show the 2" it be acceptable on the M9. I might use it when special conditions warrant and most definitely on the M8 for every image. Also useful to know if I captured an image that needs perfect timing such as grandaughter doing figure skating . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted June 27, 2013 Share #11 Posted June 27, 2013 I just had a thought that since we now have an EVF it would be more feasible than ever to introduce a model which doesn't have an LCD on the back like what has often be rumoured in the past. That would be fine with me, but only if the camera could talk to a mobile device for occasional options setting. As it now, with the M9 I very rarely use the menu except to check battery status. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted June 27, 2013 Share #12 Posted June 27, 2013 If the camera lacks a screen, does that mean the resulting pictures are better or purer? Jack Siegel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieterpronk Posted June 27, 2013 Share #13 Posted June 27, 2013 I'm one of those who enjoy such notions. I have a MM and I enjoy the simplicity or purity of it. But if you need an EVF I feel you lose much of the point of it. Isn't just turning off the lcd just as pure as needing to carry an external electronic gadget, which ruins the whole simplicity of the rangefinder experience. I think half the idea gets lost with this solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted June 27, 2013 Share #14 Posted June 27, 2013 The general consensus about the M9 was that the screen should be larger, not absent. That is what Leica did in the M(240) - enlarged the LCD. I think if you have a digital camera you need a screen. Even if you turn it off and do zero chimping, there will be exceptions. This is just another of the bespoke proposals -- "give me the camera but with out this or that feature". I do not see Leica doing this. They will swap your leather covering or engrave your name, but features of the camera are not going to be reengineered for a group of users. The other example I can think of, which probably has more support than no screen, is a M(240) without video, since many do not want video. I would be happy if Leica did that but have no expectation that they will. It is like saying I never use a tripod so can I please have a camera with no tripod socket. Is not going to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirekE Posted June 27, 2013 Share #15 Posted June 27, 2013 Removed LCD would make the camera thinner at a cost of more complicated operations like changing ISO, color temperature, lens type etc. I think it would make the camera slower and I am not sure if I would want that. I am more enthusiastic about redesign of the bottom plate. I would like to see one handed replacement of the SD card and battery and easier tripod operation . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted June 27, 2013 Author Share #16 Posted June 27, 2013 All good points so far. It would obviously need to be a separate model. I do have my LCD turned off but I still think not having one at all would be a more pure experience. Is it going to make your photos more pure? Sure it is, to the photographer if they want it, that is. If the experience is more pure then I have no doubt it will show in the pictures. As for controls, I rarely go into my menus once the camera is set up. So this could be done via computer, or as Pico suggests a mobile device, or as simple as the EVF, or something. I don't think that is so far off since Phase One are already offering that via iPad. Just an iso and white balance wheel is all I an think I personally would need of corse others may want more, I'm sure. As for bracketing etc, there is a perfectly good bracketing and exposure compensation wheel on the aperture wheel and shutter speed dial. Added benefit if being smaller and lighter with lower battery consumption would be great. although I can't seeing this happen as they'd have to redesign the whole camera and tool up a whole new manufacturing plant. The only other issue I can think of is with manual coding of lenses without a menu... Anyway, who knows if Leica would ever release such a camera but it's something I would embrace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 27, 2013 Share #17 Posted June 27, 2013 I strongly doubt it will happen for reasons already mentioned. If it makes you feel better, though, I recall all the naysayers here 4 years ago (before there was any hint of a Monochrom) who dismissed the notion of a 'pure' digital M with only b/w capability, saying among other things that there wasn't enough demand, that it would not be technically feasible, or foolish since it would bring back the need for filters, which were derided at time with the M8, etc. I suspect that some of the doubters or uninterested individuals are now proud MM owners. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
koala54 Posted June 27, 2013 Share #18 Posted June 27, 2013 Stick to film. This topic is unbelievable. It akin to pilots wanting to revert to analog instruments Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 27, 2013 Share #19 Posted June 27, 2013 Stick to film. This topic is unbelievable. It akin to pilots wanting to revert to analog instruments Referring to my comments just above, this quote is exactly what folks said about an all b/w M years ago...word for word. Turns out that Leica read that demand well. I don't think there's anything close to that demand for a screen-less M, but one should never underestimate the affinity many Leica M users have with their film past, for better or worse. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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