Peter H Posted June 27, 2013 Share #41 Posted June 27, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) .................Anyone paying $100 for a sensor clean is in my book a retard that probably can't even clean their own clothes. What a quaint view of the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fotografr Posted June 27, 2013 Share #42 Posted June 27, 2013 I am sceptical to all those who do the cleaning themselves and I am 'absolutely sure' that problems like 'cracked sensor protection glas'; a frequent problem with M9, is a direct consequence of amateur cleaning. I only use blower myself, never touching the sensor. Okay, it's time for my horror story again, with apologies to those who have read it before. If you are squeamish about cleaning your sensor, READ THIS: Shortly after getting my M8, I had spots in my images and decided to clean my sensor. At the time, a lot of people were recommending a product that involved a pad that adhered to a post with a strong adhesive and had a very mild adhesive on the other side that one placed on the sensor and gently rocked back and forth to pick up dust. Right as I was starting the process, I was interrupted by a phone call. When I came back I carelessly put the sticky pad on the post backwards, so when I pushed it onto the sensor it was the strong adhesive side and it stuck hard. After peeling it away, a fairly long process, there was a ring of adhesive left around the edges of the sensor. I tried to get it off with a swab and isopropyl alcohol, but that just smeared the adhesive around. I went to my local camera store to look for something to remove the adhesive with and couldn't really find anything. In desperation, I bought something called Sensorklear--a device shaped like a pen with a triangular soft pad at one end. I was certain the sensor was shot and would have to be replaced, so decided to just have at it. I began softly pushing the sensor pen over the adhesive. No effect. I pushed harder and some started to come off. Finally, I really put the pressure on and to my amazement, not only did the sensor remain intact, the adhesive started coming completely off. After about 30 minutes it was spotless. I'm still using that M8 today and there is no effect whatsoever from this experience. I'm not suggesting people get reckless and really push on their sensors, but this business about them being so fragile they shouldn't be touched with anything is just bunk. They are far stronger than you might think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 27, 2013 Share #43 Posted June 27, 2013 Yep - I had the same experience using the Dust-Aid thingy, and Leica kindly replaced the sensor. The Insurance paid.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted June 27, 2013 Share #44 Posted June 27, 2013 I am sceptical to all those who do the cleaning themselves and I am 'absolutely sure' that problems like 'cracked sensor protection glas'; a frequent problem with M9, is a direct consequence of amateur cleaning. LOL...I can assure you that cleaning your sensor and the cracked sensor glass issue are unrelated. The cracked sensors are clearly a design flaw. Unless you are using a chisel and hammer, cleaning your sensor doesn't put it at risk of cracking the front glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted June 27, 2013 Share #45 Posted June 27, 2013 To be clear, I don't believe there is a real chance to damage the sensor by cleaning it. But there are chances you can make it more dirty. A little experiment with a uv filter, just clean it the same way you clean the sensor, 2 light swipes back and forth with sensor cleaning tools and liquid. Let me know if you see any residue that does not require further polishing to completely remove. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted June 27, 2013 Share #46 Posted June 27, 2013 I damaged a sensor from cleaning it. So yes, you can I'm sorry to say. It's why i've not touched a sensor since, I just turn it upside down a squeeze a blower on it occasionally. But I've not touched the sensor its self in a year and half of owning it. I don't really have issues though. Just a couple spots to retouch out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted June 27, 2013 Share #47 Posted June 27, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yep - I had the same experience using the Dust-Aid thingy, and Leica kindly replaced the sensor. The Insurance paid.... Yes, that was the product. I'd forgotten the name--likely pushed out of my mind by the experience. Glad to hear I'm not the only dolt who ever did that. I damaged a sensor from cleaning it. So yes, you can I'm sorry to say. Yes, but it says right in the manual NOT to use gasoline on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblutter Posted July 24, 2013 Share #48 Posted July 24, 2013 I had never had mine properly cleaned - rocket blower has sufficient until now. I sent my 9 in for P upgrade to NJ - after 4 weeks was informed that program was discontinued, but they would give it a check, clean and return for free as compensation. Then I noticed I've got a few tiny specks stuck on the sensor, which are easily corrected in PS. Due to this thread I got in mini vacuum tools and gave it a try - I do NOT want to touch an otherwise perfect sensor. A few were sucked up but not all. 2 are sparkly under light (metal?) and am afraid removing them would scratch. All my output is to print but only do about 4 or 5 17 x 22's a month - so not much of a bother and only apparent in areas like sky - at that size the specks are very noticeable. So, send back and be without for a month or wait for a larger problem and live with it for now? I can't possibly prove the specks were from their work. I'm aware this sounds rhetorical, but I feel its worth sharing - mainly that the mini vacuum nozzles to work to a degree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Old Dog Posted July 25, 2013 Share #49 Posted July 25, 2013 Keep in mind, I think more photographic equipment is ruined by over cleaning then by a little dirt that can be removed in post. I can own a lens for years and never get a finger print on it. Finger prints are about the only thing I am in a hurry to remove. From this forum I've been led to believe the glass you want to clean is incredibly thin....read fragile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 25, 2013 Share #50 Posted July 25, 2013 Yes, that was the product. I'd forgotten the name--likely pushed out of my mind by the experience. Glad to hear I'm not the only dolt who ever did that. Yes, but it says right in the manual NOT to use gasoline on it. With much trepidation I tried out the Eyelead "lollipop" for my M. Much to my surprise it removed a considerable amount of black gunk from the never-cleaned-before sensor. I can recommend the thing. It made cleaning my MM sensor easy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nggalai Posted July 25, 2013 Share #51 Posted July 25, 2013 I probably don’t clean it often enough … Well, it depends on what you’re shooting and what look you’re aiming for. Example: the same image, once as a colour version, once in black-and-white. In the colour version, there’s a small spot visible in the upper right third – easily removed with the clone tool and that’s that. In the black-and-white version though there’s suddenly a huge blob visible; in larger sizes lots of tiny speckles, too. I don’t do wet cleans though. Only rocket blower and Arctic Butterfly. After cleaning, the sensor stays clean for about 1-2 months, depending on how often I change lenses. Cheers, -Sascha Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/207510-how-often-do-you-clean-your-ccd/?do=findComment&comment=2381757'>More sharing options...
Nicolas Soldati Posted July 25, 2013 Share #52 Posted July 25, 2013 Have a look at this video. It shows how Leica does it in their factory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted July 25, 2013 Share #53 Posted July 25, 2013 Keep in mind, I think more photographic equipment is ruined by over cleaning then by a little dirt that can be removed in post. I can own a lens for years and never get a finger print on it. Finger prints are about the only thing I am in a hurry to remove. From this forum I've been led to believe the glass you want to clean is incredibly thin....read fragile. Also keep in mind that you are highly unlikely to see the effects of a fingerprint anyway, you just don't want it because it can allow dust to stick and dust can cause scratches to the surface if cleaned carelessly. But should it happen it's possible to have a large amount of dust on the lens that also won't show up in the photograph, so there is hardly ever a time that it is essential to get the lens clean on location and away from the best cleaning tools. Meanwhile that little bit of dust on the sensor just goes on minding its own business, until the day comes when that little bit of dust appears over somebody's face or halfway up the Eiffel Tower. Cloning it out when its over an eye requires a different level of Photoshop skill compared to re-touching it out the sky. 'Expect the best but plan for the worst' has always been a sound motto for a photographer. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas Soldati Posted July 25, 2013 Share #54 Posted July 25, 2013 Sorry some part of the message was missing. Hire is the link : http://vimeo.com/m/6551861 If you are in a hurry, directly go at 13min 20sec. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_j Posted July 25, 2013 Share #55 Posted July 25, 2013 To be clear, I don't believe there is a real chance to damage the sensor by cleaning it. But there are chances you can make it more dirty. A little experiment with a uv filter, just clean it the same way you clean the sensor, 2 light swipes back and forth with sensor cleaning tools and liquid. Let me know if you see any residue that does not require further polishing to completely remove. Here is an extract from an email from Leica Mayfair about my M9 sensor: "My colleague tried to clean your M9 sensor this afternoon. Unfortunately, there seem to be marks on the glass coating which do not clean off. Our guess is that the sensor has been cleaned before, and damaged in the process." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_j Posted July 25, 2013 Share #56 Posted July 25, 2013 Sorry some part of the message was missing. Hire is the link : Assembling The Leica M9 on Vimeo If you are in a hurry, directly go at 13min 20sec. I am using the Pentax stick shown in the video and it works very well. I think as Amazon is a sponsor I can post this: Pentax Sensor Cleaning Kit: Amazon.co.uk: Camera & Photo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas Soldati Posted July 25, 2013 Share #57 Posted July 25, 2013 I am using the Pentax stick shown in the video and it works very well. I think as Amazon is a sponsor I can post this: Pentax Sensor Cleaning Kit: Amazon.co.uk: Camera & Photo Ordered. Thank you for the info! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_w Posted July 25, 2013 Share #58 Posted July 25, 2013 With much trepidation I tried out the Eyelead "lollipop" for my M. Much to my surprise it removed a considerable amount of black gunk from the never-cleaned-before sensor. I can recommend the thing. It made cleaning my MM sensor easy. Hi Jaap I thought you swore off all "lollipop" cleaners after a bad experience a year or two ago? Would be very pleased if you have come across one that works well, as seems to be the case. Any further information and / or experiences appreciated! Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 25, 2013 Share #59 Posted July 25, 2013 I did - hence trepidation.... http://www.eyelead.eu/fotoreinigung.html Worked very well. Very nice bulb blower too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikonJeff Posted July 25, 2013 Share #60 Posted July 25, 2013 I did - hence trepidation.... eyelead Bluetech GmbH Worked very well. Very nice bulb blower too. Looks like a nice system but unfortunately no US distributors from what I can see... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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