stevelap Posted May 31, 2013 Share #961 Posted May 31, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) When did the subject change to flaming Audis? Isn't it time to return to flaming the Leica 107? I think some Brits were jealous of German autos and the fact that their own cars break down all the time. We're not jealous of 'German autos' ............we just have a problem with Audi's . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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doolittle Posted May 31, 2013 Share #962 Posted May 31, 2013 I do not like Audi's. These Volkwagens in (minor) disguise usually appeal to ignorant drivers. Personally I never give way to an Audi. Tough, they unfortunately did choose the wrong make :-)) (Flames are welcome :-))))) Audi did make one of my favourite car ads: Trouble is, I empathise when the protagonist says "Nah, it's not really my style" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted May 31, 2013 Share #963 Posted May 31, 2013 And Jaguar is now owned by Tata of India, I gather, though I don't see the relevance. Prob the aps-c as the dlux6 is a 1/1.7" and has over a 4x crop Possibly. Somewhere I came across a comparison of DOF relative to sensor size, aperture, and focal length. Basically f/1.4 on a small sensor is the equivalent of something like f/5.6-8 on a full-frame. Which is more useful: larger APS sensor or lens speed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted May 31, 2013 Share #964 Posted May 31, 2013 leica just posted this on their FB. lol! "Just posted"? That illustration has been shown on their homepage for quite some time, I think even before we detected the "leaked" one. It was mentioned earlier in this thread. Here: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/285598-mini-m-post2410893.html#post2410893 Pop, I think he was referring to the 'Rumors' comment in the text bubble above the box, that was new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted May 31, 2013 Share #965 Posted May 31, 2013 I have no beef with Leica going after new customers, certainly not. But I'm disappointed that they seem to be doing it with a camera that is priced way more, and 'specced' less, than those offered by other companies. As others have noted, a Fuji X-E1 with so-called kit lens will cost a third less but offer better zoom range and aperture, be roughly the same size, AND offer the option to change lenses Aside from the M rangefinders - where it doesn't apply due to there being no 'other companies' - has their ever been a Leica camera that wasn't more expensive and under specified in comparison to the opposition? Leica manufacture on a scale that doesn't allow them to compete on price wrt larger manufacturers. Sony/Canon/Nikon etc probably sell more of one of their compacts in a week than Leica sells in total in a year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted May 31, 2013 Share #966 Posted May 31, 2013 Er..uh..you mean like Jaguar and Range Rover? No....just Morgan! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted May 31, 2013 Share #967 Posted May 31, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Aside from the M rangefinders - where it doesn't apply due to there being no 'other companies' - has their ever been a Leica camera that wasn't more expensive and under specified in comparison to the opposition? Leica manufacture on a scale that doesn't allow them to compete on price wrt larger manufacturers. Sony/Canon/Nikon etc probably sell more of one of their compacts in a week than Leica sells in total in a year. I think the S cameras are an exception. They offer a very sturdy and "compact" way to shoot medium format, and have stellar (but costly) lenses. Not quite full medium format, but far larger than 35mm, the S cameras are literally in a class of their own, and apparently perform beautifully. But this new camera, if it is real, is seriously 'underspecced' compared with the competition. The X1 was overpriced but not that underspecced, albeit having very little competition in the fixed-lens aps-c compact market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted May 31, 2013 Share #968 Posted May 31, 2013 When I bought my M3 the premium over the Nikon f competition was about 10%, and spec was similar, with the m of course you for access as now to the best lenses and the camera is well built enough to last my lifetime. Now the premium is more like 50-100%, often just for a red dot sticker, and its lifetime is that of the electronics. Plus trips back to solms to fix things that shouldn't need fixing Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted May 31, 2013 Share #969 Posted May 31, 2013 When I bought my M3 the premium over the Nikon f competition was about 10%, .............. Maybe that's why Leica nearly went bust. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted May 31, 2013 Share #970 Posted May 31, 2013 "Just posted"? That illustration has been shown on their homepage for quite some time, I think even before we detected the "leaked" one. It was mentioned earlier in this thread. Here: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/285598-mini-m-post2410893.html#post2410893 obviously you aren't paying attention to the text and the details....they added new text! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlynn Posted May 31, 2013 Share #971 Posted May 31, 2013 obviously you aren't paying attention to the text and the details....they added new text! Would put money on FF/24MP + 35 summicron + EVF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted May 31, 2013 Share #972 Posted May 31, 2013 Dear Administrator, At times like these we absolutely need to have a forum Poll function. It would be so much fun to see most folks go wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 31, 2013 Share #973 Posted May 31, 2013 obviously you aren't paying attention to the text and the details....they added new text! A new text but no much news, i'm afraid. We suspected that there won't be another new camera than the "Mini M". Now we can be sure of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted May 31, 2013 Share #974 Posted May 31, 2013 We're not jealous of 'German autos' ............we just have a problem with Audi's . Same on this side of the pond, if one is fond of being a weekend mechanic, go for the Volkswagen family of cars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 31, 2013 Share #975 Posted May 31, 2013 Same on this side of the pond, if one is fond of being a weekend mechanic, go for the Volkswagen family of cars. Really. My VW is 55 years-old and the brakes have to be adjusted already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudingshain Posted May 31, 2013 Share #976 Posted May 31, 2013 Maybe the Vario X is not the only camera that will be presented !! Who know. At whats with the camera between S and M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted May 31, 2013 Share #977 Posted May 31, 2013 Really. My VW is 55 years-old and the brakes have to be adjusted already. Perhaps it was never driven and sit in your Jay Leno style garage most of the time? why bother to adjust its brakes anyway ... for cosmetic reasons? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Martin Posted May 31, 2013 Share #978 Posted May 31, 2013 Would put money on FF/24MP + 35 summicron + EVF Make it an optical one, as it's a fixed lens there's no great need for the EVF, and I'd buy one . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted May 31, 2013 Share #979 Posted May 31, 2013 When I bought my M3 the premium over the Nikon f competition was about 10%, and spec was similar, with the m of course you for access as now to the best lenses and the camera is well built enough to last my lifetime. Now the premium is more like 50-100%, often just for a red dot sticker, and its lifetime is that of the electronics. Plus trips back to solms to fix things that shouldn't need fixing Gerry I'm not sure this holds if you compare the top of the line Nikon and top of the line Canon with Leica M. They are quite comparable in price. Leica lenses are more expensive but they have always been more expensive. The old mechanical Nikons were also good for a lifetime but no camera of any brand with electronics will have that kind of useful life. In that, Leica is in the same boat as everybody else. If you don't want to deal with the obsolescence of electronics, then your only choice is to stick with film and film cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted May 31, 2013 Share #980 Posted May 31, 2013 Same on this side of the pond, if one is fond of being a weekend mechanic, go for the Volkswagen family of cars. not true. i have a 2012 A3 quattro with 40k miles and ZERO issues since i've had the car. *cough* on the other hand, i also have a 2001 Audi TT which i've had for 11 years and the story is not the same with that...lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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