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Mini M? [MERGED] AKA X-Vario

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Assuming that the French pic is not a fake, which sounds highly probable so far, the "Mini" has much less to do with an M than with a Digilux 2 on steroids with a bigger sensor, less digital noise, a better EVF and a shallower DoF at wide to normal FoV folks. A 7mm f/2 lens has a wider DoF on a 2/3" sensor than a 18mm f/3.5 on APS-C by a significant margin. With 70mm instead of 90mm equiv. FoV the Mini has less reach than the D2 and f/6.4 is too slow compared to the f/2.4 of the latter but the difference is negligible DoF wise there so aside from financial considerations, those who praised the Digilux 2 have no reason to bash the Mini IMHO.

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I'll go so far as to RETRACT my post #492 that predicted a serious "Mini-M" - M-mount Fuji XE-1, possibly FF.

 

Not that it was a bad idea, or product, or argument - but it was guesswork, and I just get "reality vibes" off that spec sheet. An "X3" was going to come along sooner or later.

 

But I'm perfectly happy for Leica to prove me wrong.....(or right the first time, or whatever.... ;) )

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Here it is again ...

 

Now THAT is cool! Love the look, but I still wouldn't buy it. As a matter of fact. I'm not interested in any of this so-called proposed crap. A note to Leica: just get the production MM and M lines rolling. What gall! Introducing another new model when they can't even meet current M-type orders. Sheesh, gimme a break.

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Gentleman, Gentleman, I am surprised by your Negativity on this.

 

There are some very smart people on this forum, Unfortunately I am not one of them.

 

But I can see it as it's so obvious.

 

First....The X series Leica models have no referance to the Leica M, as it doesn't have the MESSUCHER

Or the M MOUNT, so any additional new X model cannot be named as such UNLESS......

 

IT HAS EITHER A MESSUCHER (RANGE FINDER) OR THE M MOUNT, that image cannot be the new Leica Mini-M.

 

In my view any new product in the Leica M range must have some association with the M system, in this case

It must be an M-MOUNT, MINI-ature M camera, the MESSUCHER assembly is rather large to make any smaller and after all, they have the new M240 which has it.

 

So my conclusion is such, Leica has called it the Leica Mini-M, that reads to me as a smaller version of the Leica M + mount with an EVF.

 

It would be an insult to our intelligence, if Leica is trying to introduce an X model with a vario lens under the pretext of an Mini M, don't think so, so lets give Leica some respect, untill June 11th anyhow.....lol.

 

Ken.

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It IS an interchangeable lens camera. If you are wondering where the lens release button is, there isn't any. The lens is held in place by a magnet and it's something Leica learnt from Jonathan. What better way to sell more lenses? Oops. ;-)

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First....The X series Leica models have no referance to the Leica M, as it doesn't have the MESSUCHER

Or the M MOUNT, so any additional new X model cannot be named as such UNLESS......

 

IT HAS EITHER A MESSUCHER (RANGE FINDER) OR THE M MOUNT, that image cannot be the new Leica Mini-M.

 

In my view any new product in the Leica M range must have some association with the M system, in this case

It must be an M-MOUNT, MINI-ature M camera, the MESSUCHER assembly is rather large to make any smaller and after all, they have the new M240 which has it.

 

Given the other cameras shown; M, mini-M, micro-M, nano-M => M.240, ?, X2, D-lux6 : it seems the 'M' mark now stands for nothing more significant than 'Mirror-less'.

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Assuming that the French pic is not a fake, which sounds highly probable so far,...

 

Who knows? But I'm trying to understand what benefit there would be to justify the effort for anyone to bother making a fake photograph of a Leica "Mini."

 

I can certainly imagine Leica coming up with the idea of marrying a pedestrian range and aperture zoom lens to the X2 in order to try to get a bit more out of that design and technology without much effort. They probably don't have to sell very many to break even. Whereas making a really good EVIL camera (FF or APS) and several AF lenses would have required concerted effort.

 

So I can understand if they went the easy route especially if they are stretched in resources and too busy making their bread and butter M cameras and M lenses. This is a camera I would loved to have owned back in 2005. Leica surely must know there is only a very small market for it today.

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First....The X series Leica models have no referance to the Leica M, as it doesn't have the MESSUCHER

Or the M MOUNT, so any additional new X model cannot be named as such UNLESS......

 

IT HAS EITHER A MESSUCHER (RANGE FINDER) OR THE M MOUNT, that image cannot be the new Leica Mini-M.

 

In my view any new product in the Leica M range must have some association with the M system, in this case

 

You really need to look closely at the image where "Mini-M" came from first.

 

In that image ALL the Leica's, including the X2 and the P&S are referred to as some form of "M"

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You can buy the Ricoh GXR with their A16 24-85mm f/3.5-5.5 zoom for $649.00. Add their EVF for $219. For less than $1,000 or 1/3 the price of this new mini you have a better camera. I as yet cannot believe this is the new mini-M.

 

Ricoh GXR & A16 Zoom

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andybarton beat me to it in post #667, but I'll add some more thoughts.

 

The leaked image is either true or false. If its true, it is not the only possible camera being released on June 11. It's a well practiced marketing/sales tactic to imply the only available choices are the ones presented by the marketing team/sales person (there are almost always more choices available than those presented by marketing teams/sales persons). It may well be that this X3/XV is released along with another camera on June 11th. Speaking of marketing tactics, clearly the term xxxM is used for marketing reasons and do not in fact represent the true names of the displayed products. Last I checked, the DLux6 was still called the DLux6 and the X2, X2. In truth, we really don't know much, except that Leica is releasing at least one new camera on June 11.

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Perhaps it might be this....lol

 

The Mini MINOX

 

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Assuming that the French pic is not a fake, which sounds highly probable so far, the "Mini" has much less to do with an M than with a Digilux 2 on steroids with a bigger sensor, less digital noise, a better EVF and a shallower DoF at wide to normal FoV folks. A 7mm f/2 lens has a wider DoF on a 2/3" sensor than a 18mm f/3.5 on APS-C by a significant margin. With 70mm instead of 90mm equiv. FoV the Mini has less reach than the D2 and f/6.4 is too slow compared to the f/2.4 of the latter but the difference is negligible DoF wise there so aside from financial considerations, those who praised the Digilux 2 have no reason to bash the Mini IMHO.

 

At the 70mm equiv. focal length the Digilux II is not at f2.4 yet. Dof is one thing, the light gathering ability the other. F6.4 and a Sony sensor which is ok at higher iso, but not great. If this rumor is true, the new USD 4k Leica looses about 3 (three) stops as compared to a very good Fuji 18-55mm f2.8-4 or Panasonic 23-35mm f2.8 mft zoom at the 70mm equiv. focal length. I.e. iso 3200 instead of iso 400 etc.

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Has to be a fake. They say the lens is an Elmar 3.5-6.4/28-70mm ASPH, and the lens side barrel says 70, but on the front it says 18-46.

 

The numbers are correct for a 1.5 crop sensor.

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...The leaked image is either true or false. If its true, it is not the only possible camera being released on June 11...It may well be that this X3/XV is released along with another camera on June 11th....
There was a novel in the 1960s called There Must be a Pony, whose title comes from a story about a little boy that comes home and finds a pile of horse manure in his room. He shouts out, "There must be a pony! They got me a pony for my birthday!"

 

(My contribution to the collective wisdom in the feeding frenzy of a 37 page thread).

 

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