mjh Posted June 10, 2013 Share #1581 Posted June 10, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) That would be bad. The Apple naming it's not the best choice in this case. It’s the way these terms are commonly used in marketing, not just by Apple. And you can hardly argue with Apple’s success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 10, 2013 Posted June 10, 2013 Hi mjh, Take a look here Mini M? [MERGED] AKA X-Vario. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
iforum Posted June 10, 2013 Share #1582 Posted June 10, 2013 As the time nears it seems that quite simply the posters on this forum didn't get what they wanted/expected. Elsewhere the camera doesn't raise a beep just as the the new iOS7 and its repercussions to image distribution but is not news here nor is the ability in Lightroom to edit images while they are offline, by enabling what Adobe calls 'Smart Previews'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 10, 2013 Share #1583 Posted June 10, 2013 That means we are not talking any more about cameras;) The choice is Hermes or LV. Why not the Lunar itself? Again a money issue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 10, 2013 Share #1584 Posted June 10, 2013 Leica has known for some time that it has little competition (for the moment) in the full frame compact sector, and a full frame compact system camera taking M mount lenses (and R mount with an adapter) would be unique, and would have demand. Leica may still decide to introduce a new EVIL system – although I doubt it would support the M mount, other than via an adapter –, but it would be a difficult decision to make. Developing a compact camera like Sony’s RX1 doesn’t carry any commitment; if it sells, then fine, and if it doesn’t then there won’t be a successor and that’s that. But whether to introduce a new system with a new line of lenses to go with it, plus the commitment to support the system for many years, if not decades – that’s a much tougher choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 10, 2013 Share #1585 Posted June 10, 2013 Leica never said this as clear as i recall ... That's very true, and I didn't say they had. However, they have explicitly acknowledged the gap. An X2 zoom doesn't fill it. The teaser was misleading, and sloppy ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trylab Posted June 10, 2013 Share #1586 Posted June 10, 2013 Meet the whole x family ....and some wondered why Leica used the Mini M name and not the x family name? ... and what X is good for cheese everyone, but we still having fun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 10, 2013 Share #1587 Posted June 10, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...The teaser was misleading, and sloppy ... Misleading compared to some wishful thinkings perhaps but sloppy is a kind word. What i fear is a semantic shift from Messsucher to Mirrorless announcing the end of the rangefinder. I must acknowledge that the good old RF has never been better with the M240 though. Not a swan song hopefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest snowboarder Posted June 10, 2013 Share #1588 Posted June 10, 2013 ...introduce a new system with a new line of lenses to go with it, plus the commitment to support the system for many years, if not decades – that’s a much tougher choice. Why do we need a new system with new kind of lenses is beyond me ??? We have M lenses, all we need is a simpler, working modern camera to use those lenses with. M24whartever without a rangefinder, with a proper working live view, with a modern EVF and FF. That's it. We are not asking to reinvent the wheel. IMO such a system would require very little R&D. Most of the hard work is done. Could be smaller than M which would be fantastic. But instead we are getting this piece of cr@p "mini M' which for some reason a few people here defend. Reminds me when Adobe released the cloud only software and a few Adobe based bloggers defended that decision against thousands of angry posts. Good luck with that approach! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 10, 2013 Share #1589 Posted June 10, 2013 Well, now that everybody has descended to solid ground after this frenzy it is time to admit that this is maybe not a camera that appeals to S and M users who want maximum shallow DOF, but it still is quite an interesting little thing - APS-C with a good zoom, good high ISO to compensate for a not too wide f-stop which in turn keeps the size within bounds, excellent output - it is a rather unique combination and should do all right in the market. No real competitor either. I can imagine it selling well to a public that has no Leica axe to grind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 10, 2013 Share #1590 Posted June 10, 2013 What i fear is a semantic shift from Messsucher to Mirrorless announcing the end of the rangefinder. Even when some participants in this thread had been hoping for a rangefinder-less M, I believe the M will continue to be a Messsucherkamera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 10, 2013 Share #1591 Posted June 10, 2013 ...M24whartever without a rangefinder, with a proper working live view, with a modern EVF and FF. That's it... When pigs can fly (again) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 10, 2013 Share #1592 Posted June 10, 2013 Why do we need a new system with new kind of lenses is beyond me ???We have M lenses, all we need is a simpler, working modern camera to use those lenses with. M24whartever without a rangefinder, with a proper working live view, with a modern EVF and FF. That's it. That would be the M (Typ 240) without a rangefinder. It would do nothing to increase Leica’ market share, so why should they build one? There is indeed a gap between the M system and Leica’s compact cameras, and a new system could fill it. But it would need to be both considerably more affordable than the M system, lenses included, and it would have to be AF to appeal to a wider market. That is something the M system is never going to be. As to the “We have M lenses” – this is about those who don’t have M lenses, couldn’t afford them, and wouldn’t even want to because these are manual lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D&A Posted June 10, 2013 Share #1593 Posted June 10, 2013 Why do we need a new system with new kind of lenses is beyond me ???We have M lenses, all we need is a simpler, working modern camera to use those lenses with. M24whartever without a rangefinder, with a proper working live view, with a modern EVF and FF. That's it. We are not asking to reinvent the wheel. IMO such a system would require very little R&D. Most of the hard work is done. Could be smaller than M which would be fantastic. But instead we are getting this piece of cr@p "mini M' which for some reason a few people here defend. Reminds me when Adobe released the cloud only software and a few Adobe based bloggers defended that decision against thousands of angry posts. Good luck with that approach! This is exactly the camera I and I'm sure many others have been posting and campaigning for. It perfectly fills the gap between the X series and M and in fact, the proposed X2 successor with zoom could also be added to the X2 line to complete a well developed product line. A good case could be made for both! Dave (D&A) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 10, 2013 Share #1594 Posted June 10, 2013 Quite timely too, maybe even a little late. There seems to be a good market for high quality, relatively expensive compact cameras. The price point , especially in Europe is below the RX1 and it will appeal to those that have no interest in the distinction between full frame and APS but will notice the zoom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted June 10, 2013 Share #1595 Posted June 10, 2013 APS-C with a good zoom, good high ISO to compensate for a not too wide f-stop which in turn keeps the size within bounds, excellent output - it is a rather unique combination and should do all right in the market. No real competitor either. I'm sure it will be a fine camera, but no real competitor? It seems to me that it will have some competition from the Fuji X-Pro1 and XE-1, which are also APS-C and offer a good zoom, but also offer a viewfinder and interchangeable lenses. The Olympus OM-D may be a competitor too; although it has a smaller sensor, it offers a viewfinder and interchangeable lenses. The same goes for Panasonic's top end M43 model. The Canon 100D/SL1 may also offer some competition; it's very small for a DSLR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 10, 2013 Share #1596 Posted June 10, 2013 That is true, but I think it is aimed at -and will appeal to- the user who is looking for an integrated solution. More like taking a quality jump over the Olympus XZ1 and other zoom P&S offerings.I know my wife really liked the X1 but rejected it for lack of a zoom lens. Customers in that segment often shy away from system cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iforum Posted June 11, 2013 Share #1597 Posted June 11, 2013 we need something cute like mini mouse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey You Posted June 11, 2013 Share #1598 Posted June 11, 2013 #1596 and counting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted June 11, 2013 Share #1599 Posted June 11, 2013 The Leica X Vario Mini M - It's official! | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iforum Posted June 11, 2013 Share #1600 Posted June 11, 2013 no mini mouse just iggy rat:cool: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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