pop Posted May 30, 2013 Share #941 Posted May 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) leica just posted this on their FB. lol! "Just posted"? That illustration has been shown on their homepage for quite some time, I think even before we detected the "leaked" one. It was mentioned earlier in this thread. Here: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/285598-mini-m-post2410893.html#post2410893 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 Hi pop, Take a look here Mini M? [MERGED] AKA X-Vario. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Paolo.Battista Posted May 30, 2013 Share #942 Posted May 30, 2013 Leica "Mini M" in stores on June 11th | Leica News & Rumors BTW: not on Leica's page Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalArts 99 Posted May 30, 2013 Share #943 Posted May 30, 2013 Quite the contrary according to this: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/285598-mini-m.html#post2413892 That does seem to be the case inside the borders of China. What's interesting is that the Chinese still have the desire and the cash to buy luxury items but apparently instead of buying them in China, they are traveling to buy them outside of China (and with lower prices, too.) So it appears that goods may be slowing down in respect to selling them within China, but the appetite for luxury goods doesn't seem to be going away. Leica will still sell plenty of cameras to the Chinese but perhaps more likely in European Leica shops and maybe less so within the Chinese border. These are all very recent articles: China Considers Luxury Tax "The Chinese government might make Prada shoes and Ferraris more expensive, but that’s unlikely to stop spendthrifts from buying them." China Considers Luxury Tax - Forbes Chinese Shunning Luxury Stores At Home, Buying Abroad - Forbes "This has to do with the huge price difference between these goods sold in China and sold abroad, as well as the overall economic environment. But it is also related to the fact that spending public money is now much more restricted. Around 60% of all luxury goods bought by the Chinese are bought overseas." Here's another interesting article (just a month old) about the 'new' consumption patterns by very wealthy Chinese: For China's Wealthy, A New 'Post-Luxury' Luxury - Forbes "Big spending Chinese travelers are no joke. By definition, a relatively few people constitute the Chinese luxury market. In China, Boston Consulting Group (BCG) estimates that there are around 700,000 households with assets greater than $1 million. They make up China’s 0.2 percenters. And they control 48% of China’s wealth. And guess what? They are not getting poorer. "These are the consumers for whom money is no object and they spend on every kind of luxury goods and service,” says BCGs Michael Silverstein. "New companies are popping up to cater to this demographic. Some states have even opened travel bureaus in China to lure them in." One way or another, China is still a big market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl G Posted May 30, 2013 Share #944 Posted May 30, 2013 When did the subject change to flaming Audis? Isn't it time to return to flaming the Leica 107? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalpowershot Posted May 30, 2013 Share #945 Posted May 30, 2013 leica just posted this on their FB. lol! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted May 30, 2013 Share #946 Posted May 30, 2013 When did the subject change to flaming Audis? Isn't it time to return to flaming the Leica 107? I think some Brits were jealous of German autos and the fact that their own cars break down all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tanks Posted May 30, 2013 Share #947 Posted May 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, nowadays I think most British car companies are owned by Germans anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalpowershot Posted May 30, 2013 Share #948 Posted May 30, 2013 So the "leaked" picture is not real?! TG! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 31, 2013 Share #949 Posted May 31, 2013 Just Leica trying to save their "Mini M" ad from ridiculous, tough job if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TW528 Posted May 31, 2013 Share #950 Posted May 31, 2013 The leaked photo allegedly came from a "French iPad app" so does anyone know which one? I'm assuming they mean a magazine for the iPad and not an actual app. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted May 31, 2013 Share #951 Posted May 31, 2013 Leica "Mini M" in stores on June 11th | Leica News & Rumors BTW: not on Leica's page And they actually promise availability in stores 11 June. Finally a camera in the shop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted May 31, 2013 Share #952 Posted May 31, 2013 If in fact Leica X models are being discounted in HK, then this new model is what is needed to revive X buyers who want a Red Dot with a meaty looking zoom lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted May 31, 2013 Share #953 Posted May 31, 2013 I have no beef with Leica going after new customers, certainly not. But I'm disappointed that they seem to be doing it with a camera that is priced way more, and 'specced' less, than those offered by other companies. As others have noted, a Fuji X-E1 with so-called kit lens will cost a third less but offer better zoom range and aperture, be roughly the same size, AND offer the option to change lenses. The combination of price and specs implies that it is aimed at people with money but without photographic consideration. Even Leica's Panasonic rebadges are on the top of their the product food chain. But this seems to be some bizarre step backwards to when film compacts had swamp-dark zooms. Given the wonderful range of cameras and lenses now available, who but someone with money - but no photographic nous - buy a camera like this? The more I think of it, the more it seems like this new camera (assuming it is real) is a compromise between size and performance. A constant f2.8 zoom would be too large. A smaller fast zoom might require a smaller sensor, and Leica have already stated that they will not go to m43 size due to what they see as the loss of image quality. So in an attempt to create a smallish camera with a zoom, aperture is where it took the hit. Given Leica's reputation, it will probably be a super lens, but the downsides of f3.5-6.3 are something to be considered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted May 31, 2013 Share #954 Posted May 31, 2013 The bad news is that at the long end of the lens you are 3.5 stops down from and f2 lens. Thus in low light, if you had an f2 lens that requires ISO 3200 (not uncommon) you would now need ISO 256,000+ to capture the image. Bottom line, you will need a strong flash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted May 31, 2013 Share #955 Posted May 31, 2013 June 11, WWDC, Jonathan Ive, use of Apple lingo in marketing .... IOS 7, flat UI, Apple in consumer electronics, no official Leica launch party .... Just think about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted May 31, 2013 Share #956 Posted May 31, 2013 The bad news is that at the long end of the lens you are 3.5 stops down from and f2 lens. Thus in low light, if you had an f2 lens that requires ISO 3200 (not uncommon) you would now need ISO 256,000+ to capture the image. Bottom line, you will need a strong flash. Your math is a little off. It is "only" around 38,000 ISO that would be needed. Of course you could just change to a faster lens when needed... Wait you can't. Duh! Aren't there about a thousand (roughly) inexpensive APS and M4/3rds models that can change lenses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted May 31, 2013 Share #957 Posted May 31, 2013 Because it has a very slow lens for a mild zoom and lacks an EVF. It's sort of the anti-Digilux. It may well have an EVF only you can't see it from the front. Else it will have the clip-on job. The bad news is that at the long end of the lens you are 3.5 stops down from and f2 lens. Thus in low light, if you had an f2 lens that requires ISO 3200 (not uncommon) you would now need ISO 256,000+ to capture the image. Bottom line, you will need a strong flash. This obsession with ludicrously high ISO again. I don't photograph black cats in coal buckets, but I do agree this is one slow lens -- kind of like the zoom lenses P+S film cameras used to sport. Getting shallow DOF is notoriously difficult with small sensor cameras. APS and even a "full-frame" 35mm sensor require a reasonably longish or fast lens. IQ aside, I wonder which would be better for shallow DOF: f/6.4 @ 70mm with APS-C (assuming that is indeed the new Mini M) or f/2.3 @ 90mm (D-Lux 6)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted May 31, 2013 Share #958 Posted May 31, 2013 It may well have an EVF only you can't see it from the front. Else it will have the clip-on job. This obsession with ludicrously high ISO again. I don't photograph black cats in coal buckets' date=' but I do agree this is one slow lens -- kind of like the zoom lenses P+S film cameras used to sport. Getting shallow DOF is notoriously difficult with small sensor cameras. APS and even a "full-frame" 35mm sensor require a reasonably longish or fast lens. IQ aside, I wonder which would be better for shallow DOF: f/6.4 @ 70mm with APS-C (assuming that is indeed the new Mini M) or f/2.3 @ 90mm (D-Lux 6)?[/quote'] Prob the aps-c as the dlux6 is a 1/1.7" and has over a 4x crop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunil Posted May 31, 2013 Share #959 Posted May 31, 2013 Well, nowadays I think most British car companies are owned by Germans anyway. Er..uh..you mean like Jaguar and Range Rover? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightwrangler Posted May 31, 2013 Share #960 Posted May 31, 2013 Er..uh..you mean like Jaguar and Range Rover? Bentley and Rolls Royce are german owned. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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