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Mini M? [MERGED] AKA X-Vario

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hamey

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This is more like it.

Please God!

 

LEAKED LEICA MINI M | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

 

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Pete

 

Agree with you Pete, thats what my definition of the Mini M is.

However if Leica identifies the word M stamped on their new cameras as mirrorless like Canon did, then I personal think it's a slap in the face for their 60 year legacy of the Leica M.

Most of us Leica M owners deserve better.

 

As I have stated before, I am not interested in the Digital M as I frankly prefer the reflex system for my

R lenses, unfortunately Solms disposed us R users.

Once again I consider myself lucky as I am still able to buy my slide film, thank goodness.

 

Good Luck on June the 11th.

 

Ken.

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doolittle

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This is like an English television detective - we haven't seen the last twist and u-turn yet...;)

 

I am thoroughly enjoying the show so far. I am hoping the latest 'revelation' from France is just to throw us off the scent.

 

Just hoping it doesn't turn out to be an episode of Scoody Doo!

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The Mini M. M for 'Misadventure'.

 

All the M and R lens owners that can't afford or else can't justify spending $8k for a 240 now go back to following SONY and Ricoh.

 

This hurts those already invested in Leica the most.

 

Thats a bit harsh..................you forgot Fuji!

 

It more that digital is such an ever and fast changing technology I dont mind investing in Leica lenses, it something that I have built over a long period and all have retained their value but I wont invest 8 grand in a camera that will be near worthless in a few years and outdated even by the time it hits the shelves.

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Please allow me to call this statement "nonsense".

 

I am owner of about a dozen(+) M-lenses and have decided not to spend money for a M 240. Nevertheless there a dozens of possibilities to use my lenses without "following Sony and Ricoh" - even though I have nothing against their products.

 

If the leaks are true and Leica will offer a camera with the specs shown in the leak, this will just be another superfluous product on the market, but nothing at all to make someone turn around or follow anything else in this or that way.

 

Two weeks ago nobody was expecting any new camera from Leica at the moment. Those who decide for Sony or Ricoh or anyother product will have their reasons without any funny black box placed on the Leica website. If not this would be sad for Sony or Ricoh et al.

 

What are these dozens of digital options you are referring too? Im certainly looking for one for the exact reason your rebuffing the poster?

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The numbers are correct for a 1.5 crop sensor.

 

No, those numbers are not at all correct. 18-46 is 18-46. No reason to "correct" this on the lens barrel for a 35 mm sensor. Actually, that is a huge mistake so I assume the picture is fake.

That would be like writing 39mm on my Mamiya 7 80 mm lens for example.

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No, those numbers are not at all correct. 18-46 is 18-46. No reason to "correct" this on the lens barrel for a 35 mm sensor. Actually, that is a huge mistake so I assume the picture is fake.

That would be like writing 39mm on my Mamiya 7 80 mm lens for example.

 

hhhmmmm....just noticed that Leica did something similar with the Digilux....a very weird marketing decision. Let's hope they will not make the same mistake again.

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hhhmmmm....just noticed that Leica did something similar with the Digilux....a very weird marketing decision. Let's hope they will not make the same mistake again.

 

All they're doing is giving a point of reference (full frame 35mm) to people who don't know the size of the sensor. I'd say it was a sensible move.

 

If someone said they had a camera with say a 12-60mm zoom lens I, and I suspect a lot of people, wouldn't have a clue as to how wide or long that was. It would make more sense to describe the lens in terms of angle of view, bit I think it's too late for manufacturers to switch to such a system.

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hhhmmmm....just noticed that Leica did something similar with the Digilux....a very weird marketing decision. Let's hope they will not make the same mistake again.

 

I'm pretty happy with my Digilux 2's zoom ring with its scale in FLE equivalent....

 

I do not consider it as a mistake.

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UliWer

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What are these dozens of digital options you are referring too? Im certainly looking for one for the exact reason your rebuffing the poster?

 

The posting I quoted did not mention "digital options" - but just of "M and R lens owners", so I was not only referring to "digital options" to use my M lenses; but I do use already two M cameras - and no M 240 - which have digital sensors.

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For a low cost campaign (just a picture on a website and an entry on some social media sites), I think it's brilliant, what ever the camera turns out to be. How good it turns out to be as a puzzle, I won't be able to tell until the camera is revealed.

 

If the camera turns out to be something interesting, I will be impressed. Just like I was with the Monochrom.

If it turns out to be something banal, I will laugh at my gullibility.

 

Either way I won't be in the market for the camera, so Leica's turn-over won't be affected on my account.

 

Anyway, on with the show :)

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I'm pretty happy with my Digilux 2's zoom ring with its scale in FLE equivalent....

 

I do not consider it as a mistake.

 

Good, so if that is what people ask for then they should also show the equivalent relative aperture (f5.47- f10.16 for that particular lens) for your DOF calculations.

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fotokorn

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The M stands for Messsucher, the German term for a combined rangefinder and viewfinder, and for an unmistakably individual kind of photography.

 

source: Leica Camera AG - Photography - The System

 

surely it should stay that way? it is an M thats coming, not an X, S, V or D...

 

forget about that. i see the X is called the "Micro M" now, too. i think LEICA completely lost the plot. if the rumors are true then at least to me thats the most undesirable camera they made yet.

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For a low cost campaign (just a picture on a website and an entry on some social media sites), I think it's brilliant, what ever the camera turns out to be. How good it turns out to be as a puzzle, I won't be able to tell until the camera is revealed...

 

 

I am not certain how much attention this has actually gotten but let's assume it has done well at generating a fair amount of anticipation and perhaps some excitement.

 

BUT if the product does not live up to the hype people will remember that and not be fooled again.

 

 

Besides when customers have to pay $3000 or so for a camera they have to actually sell the steak not the sizzle.

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Dr Owl

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EVIL (Electronic Viewfinder, Interchangeable Lenses)

 

COEVFWRFIL (Clip On Electronic ViewFinder With RangeFinder and Interchangeable Lenses)

 

Not the same thing, as I'm sure Fuji and Sony are aware.

"Hang on a minute," said Alice. "You're just redefining EVIL to suit your own purposes.

 

"Wikipedia tells me -- so it must be true -- that some folk won't accept as EVIL any camera with an optical viewfinder ... which excludes the Fuji X-Pro1. You won't accept as EVIL any camera whose EVF is not built in ... which excludes the Olympus Pen and the Fuji NEX-5. Both viewpoints are too restrictive: all these are archetypical EVIL cameras.

 

"What you're talking about are FERROUS cameras -- Fixed Electronic Rangefinder Replacement and Optics Unmountable and Substitutional.

 

"Or possibly the more general term BIVALENT -- Built-In Viewfinder and Alternating Lens ENgravure Technology."

 

"When I use an acronym," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

 

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."

 

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master -- that's all."

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