mirekti Posted May 24, 2013 Share #681 Posted May 24, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm using Lightroom and will be getting the M soon. Is there a consensus what might be the best custom profile for it? If so, could someone explain in few steps how to apply it in Lightroom? Can I setup this profile so it would be applied right during the import of files? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 24, 2013 Posted May 24, 2013 Hi mirekti, Take a look here M Color. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
wlaidlaw Posted May 25, 2013 Share #682 Posted May 25, 2013 I think the general consensus (if there is such a thing as concensus on the LUF), is that a dual illuminance profile from a Gretag Macbeth card is the way to go. I would suggest that an indoor tungsten one image and a grey but bright overcast sky for the other, with the camera set at fixed colour temperatures of 2800º and 7000ºK respectively. You can either use the very easy to use Color Checker passport from X-Rite or DNG Profile Editor from Adobe. These are both free downloads from their respective websites. X-Rite is simpler but has fewer options. You save the profile in user/library/application support/adobe/camera raw/camera profiles and restart LR. I have no idea where you save them in Windows - you will have to look this up. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ario Arioldi Posted May 25, 2013 Share #683 Posted May 25, 2013 This looks excellent - maybe the best of all. Is this a ACR profile? If so, would you be willing to share? Yes it is a .dcp profile usable in LR and ACR, this is the link to my dropbox folder: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11389216/LEICA%20M%20%28Typ%20240%29%20Cloudy.dcp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 25, 2013 Share #684 Posted May 25, 2013 Obvious difference on red, magenta and green so far. Well done. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/203015-m-color/?do=findComment&comment=2330487'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 25, 2013 Share #685 Posted May 25, 2013 Yes it is a .dcp profile usable in LR and ACR, this is the link to my dropbox folder: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11389216/LEICA%20M%20%28Typ%20240%29%20Cloudy.dcp Doesn't open . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 25, 2013 Share #686 Posted May 25, 2013 Try this: http://tinyurl.com/nff7r54 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ario Arioldi Posted May 25, 2013 Share #687 Posted May 25, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Doesn't open . The link to me seems ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erudolph Posted May 25, 2013 Share #688 Posted May 25, 2013 Thank you, Ario, for the profile. This is my first few hours with the M. I went out and shot in some places that had both direct sun and shade and found the color tricky, and slightly unsatisfying, to manage when working with the files. Your profile made for a noticeable improvement! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 25, 2013 Share #689 Posted May 25, 2013 Ario, Many thanks for that profile. It looks almost identical to the wide dual I posted on my dropbox but your one has a fraction more yellow saturation (only noticeable on straight yellows). The skin tones don't seem to change at all. As I was reasonably happy with my wide dual, that is fine. Now can somebody PLEASE make an ICC profile, so I can go back to using C1. LR is driving me potty! Admittedly the M240 on C1 7.1.2 seems a bit calmer than the previous one. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 26, 2013 Share #690 Posted May 26, 2013 Try this: http://tinyurl.com/nff7r54 Thanks - somehow my firewall did't like the first link. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted May 26, 2013 Share #691 Posted May 26, 2013 Ario, Many thanks for that profile. It looks almost identical to the wide dual I posted on my dropbox but your one has a fraction more yellow saturation (only noticeable on straight yellows). The skin tones don't seem to change at all. As I was reasonably happy with my wide dual, that is fine. Now can somebody PLEASE make an ICC profile, so I can go back to using C1. LR is driving me potty! Admittedly the M240 on C1 7.1.2 seems a bit calmer than the previous one. Wilson There are DCP to ICC converters on the web but I confess I haven't tried them ...... basically because ICC doesn't seem to support (correct me if I'm wrong ) dual illuminant profiles, so you will need several to cover all eventualities .... which again becomes a bit of a chore. The M240 is calibrated for Illuminant A (Tungsten) and D65 (Noon Daylight) (as are most cameras) so it seems logical to use a dual illuminant profile pegged to these values. Using a single .... or multiple ICC profiles seems a step back to me..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ario Arioldi Posted May 27, 2013 Share #692 Posted May 27, 2013 There are DCP to ICC converters on the web but I confess I haven't tried them ...... basically because ICC doesn't seem to support (correct me if I'm wrong ) dual illuminant profiles, so you will need several to cover all eventualities .... which again becomes a bit of a chore. The M240 is calibrated for Illuminant A (Tungsten) and D65 (Noon Daylight) (as are most cameras) so it seems logical to use a dual illuminant profile pegged to these values. Using a single .... or multiple ICC profiles seems a step back to me..... The use of dcp profiles, either based on dual or single illuminant, is restricted to LR/ACR and few other raw developers (Accuraw and Iridient and may be other I do nor know). With Capture One you have to use ICC profiles but I do not see it as a step back as I do not see a major disadvantage (quality wise) in using single illuminant dcp profiles inside ACR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted June 2, 2013 Share #693 Posted June 2, 2013 Adobe DNG profile editor will remap all the colors to neutral so they match the 24 patch MacBeth color chart. LR and ACR can be set to open with the new default profile. This is all that is required to get perfect color. AWB does not work on any camera. WhiBal card is the answer. Or at least set it to sun etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindolfi Posted June 4, 2013 Share #694 Posted June 4, 2013 Just a comparison of the macbeth card with the M (typ 240) and the M9 in sunlight, RAW loaded with tint=0 and temp=4800 and the embedded profiles And here with the M (240) loaded with the "LEICA M (Typ 240) Cloudy" profile posted in this thread, compared with the M9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindolfi Posted June 4, 2013 Share #695 Posted June 4, 2013 And here a comparison of the M (typ 240) with the M9 after creating a camera profile from the macbeth image of the 240 Looks excellent on a calibrated screen. Here's the profile (dual K) for the M (typ 240) http://www.photoplaza.nl/lindolfi/LEICA M (Typ 240) DualK.dcp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted June 4, 2013 Share #696 Posted June 4, 2013 I have had my M (240) only since Friday, but it is quite apparent -- at least to me -- that the color brouhaha here was and is a nonissue. Having applied several of the camera profiles kindly posted here and having done a dual illuminant of my own, my eye says the M240 can be made to render quite well, comparably in faithfulness to the M9, which is very good. My profile was daylight and what I would call "cloudy bright". It is not materially different than the duals that have been posted, and it is easy to do it and save the profile as your default in ACR. I looked especially at skin tones and to my eye they are fine (caucasian adults and children). I will repeat that once you have a M240 in your hands, most doubts about what it is capable of disappear. I have not yet had a chance to really thrash out high ISO (have not gone beyoned 800) but I think any limitations for future images will be coming from me, the user, and not the camera. I don't expect to test skin tones too much in Yellowstone/Tetons next week but will report on tones for bears and elk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWatts Posted June 5, 2013 Share #697 Posted June 5, 2013 Ken Rockwell says in his Leica Mr Users Guide that he uses sRGB colour space setting but a number of other reviewers say that Abobe RGB is the better camera setting because of the greater number of colours. What are other users using either in their M8 or M9.? It seems to me rather humorous that many of the reviewers of the M, in a hurry to be first or to strap the camera on a cube, pull out gray cards and perform exacting side by side comparisons failed to simply take the camera out of the box and use the camera as many M users would use the camera ... with features like AWB engaged. If they did, they would have observed that both the AWB setting and the color profile need work. I'm amazed at how little this has been discussed on this forum. Personally, I know two friends who have used the M for several months who have recently sold their copies. They've deemed it safer to re-enter the water for an M swim sometime in the future when the color is more accurate. I recently spent a half day shooting with the camera and came away feeling that the color misrepresents the colors and skin tones of what I see on the street everyday. Will it get there, most likely. But it's simply not there yet. I write this not as a troll, fanboy or apologist but as someone who has and uses many Leica digital products. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWatts Posted June 5, 2013 Share #698 Posted June 5, 2013 Ken Rockwell says in his Leica M9:) Users Guide that he uses sRGB colour space setting but a number of other reviewers say that Abobe RGB is the better camera setting because of the greater number of colours. What are other users using either in their M8 or M9.? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 5, 2013 Share #699 Posted June 5, 2013 Ken Rockwell says in his Leica Mr Users Guide that he uses sRGB colour space setting but a number of other reviewers say that Abobe RGB is the better camera setting because of the greater number of colours. What are other users using either in their M8 or M9.? Of course he uses an sRGB workflow - have you ever seen the colour of his photographs? For the rest of us who are mortal it should be Adobe RGB or even better Prophoto. If you use Lifghtroom you are doing it right automatically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ario Arioldi Posted June 5, 2013 Share #700 Posted June 5, 2013 Ken Rockwell says in his Leica Mr Users Guide that he uses sRGB colour space setting but a number of other reviewers say that Abobe RGB is the better camera setting because of the greater number of colours. What are other users using either in their M8 or M9.? If you shoot DNG, as I hope you do, the color space camera setting sRGB/Adobe RGB has absolutely no influence, since the color space is defined by the raw converter. If you shoot JPG the optimal choice is determined by the use you intend to do with the file, if it is for the WEB only sRGB is the right choice, otherwise Adobe RGB is the way to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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