lct Posted May 25, 2013 Share #321 Posted May 25, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi George, was your M240 shipped from Solms prior to April 5, 2013? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 25, 2013 Posted May 25, 2013 Hi lct, Take a look here Leica M strap lugs unscrewing (merged). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Ario Arioldi Posted May 26, 2013 Share #322 Posted May 26, 2013 So are we saying this is the way it is with new cameras? Maybe they decided to put on a dollop of paint or thread locking compound to seal the screws to prevent the alignment going off. For those of you who have had cameras back, what does yours look like? If you think about the song-and-dance they make about painting the edges of lens elements, you'd think they'd want to strive for the same quality here. Apparently not. I have just inspected mine and the adjustment screws looks perfectly fine (not damaged); I have also noticed that the screw heads are now partially covered by a sort of glossy black paint which I am not sure if was there before the round trip to Solms but certainly has not been used on my M8, M9 and Monochrom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboch Posted May 26, 2013 Share #323 Posted May 26, 2013 The screws of my M240 are also covered with this black paint! Mine was also in Solms for the lugs. I do not know if the black paint was there before. The screws look fine - not damaged. Is this paint some type of glue?! Or did they put it there to avoid reflections? Hmm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted May 26, 2013 Share #324 Posted May 26, 2013 So this is what the top of the lens throat of my camera looks like now after being messed around with in Solms... Remind me, how much did this camera cost? [ATTACH]378281[/ATTACH] The rear roller that limits the travel of the mechanism forwards has always had black paint (well My M's have) ..... but just on the screw in the depression ... presumably to lock and also stop tampering as it shouldn't need adjusting...... this must have been done by a particularly ham fisted technician. As for the near point adjusting screw there is no rationale at all behind painting this ..... it's already tight and difficult to shift (which is why it tends to get damaged). If it was to act as an indication that inveterate fiddlers like me had been meddling it would have the slot filled with paint. Bizarre. Maybe just to prove that have done something to it ....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMB Posted May 26, 2013 Share #325 Posted May 26, 2013 Mark, my M (240) came back some days ago. The screw has been abused like the look of yours. It is the first time I've seen one screw like this in a Leica camera. When I sent the camera for checking the eyelets problem I said to them textualy: ""I'm a little worried by the fact that I must send my camera to be dismounted and mounted again out of the chain of production. Now all I've checked runs perfect, all my lenses focus fine and I'm afraid it could be returned with something loose worse than the eyelets. Be careful..."" I'm not a technician but the bad things done to the screw had their origine in the fact I've commented. Mounting without previous and complete dismounting and using not appropiate tools. Regards, Francisco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 26, 2013 Share #326 Posted May 26, 2013 The screws of my M240 are also covered with this black paint! Mine was also in Solms for the lugs. I do not know if the black paint was there before. The screws look fine - not damaged. Is this paint some type of glue?! Or did they put it there to avoid reflections? Hmm... The screw of my M6 and my M8 are have the same paint.. Looking closely the screw on the M6 which has never been in for service carries some tightening marks...A bit late to start complaining, maybe ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboch Posted May 26, 2013 Share #327 Posted May 26, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) The screw of my M6 and my M8 are have the same paint.. Looking closely the screw on the M6 which has never been in for service carries some tightening marks...A bit late to start complaining' date=' maybe ?[/quote'] Indeed, my M6 has the black paint also on the screws. Nothing new it seems?! :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted May 26, 2013 Share #328 Posted May 26, 2013 Just looked at the screws of my cameras for the first time: M9 (never serviced), M8 (serviced), M6 (never serviced), M2 (serviced last year), M3 (I don't know) all show irregularities on the screws. With the exception of the M3, all show some traces of lacquer (or soldering? - it looks like this for the M2) applied which make the screw look maltreated, though I am not sure if the "maltreatment" was to be seen without the lacquer. In no example the lacquer is covering the screw completely. The slit of the M3-screw is not in the middle, but more in the "golden ratio" position. Perhaps someone who is closer to Leica should ask, if those "irregularities" are applied out of a special reason we don't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Old Dog Posted May 26, 2013 Share #329 Posted May 26, 2013 If you jerk the camera by its strap you should expect this to happen. Given the minuscule size of the two screws, the leverage compounded on them by the diameter of the ring mount I would expect them to loosen. I wonder if the factory torques both screws so that they act together or is it likely one is always tighter then the other allowing the loose one to vibrate more loosely? My suggestion would be not to grab the strap and jerk it up when retrieving the camera and to not jump up and down when it's around your neck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george + Posted May 26, 2013 Share #330 Posted May 26, 2013 Hi George, was your M240 shipped from Solms prior to April 5, 2013? Yes, it was shipped before April 5. And I got the note that it may be effected. But the lugs are solid and I just wonder and am looking for your opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george + Posted May 26, 2013 Share #331 Posted May 26, 2013 About that goo in the screws. Both, the untouched M8 and the new M have a bit of goo in the rear screw. But it is neatly centered in the cavity only, not sloppy as Mark's picture shows. The front screws seem visibly neat. Same on the old M5. That is why I am not too keen to send it in. Why fix something that does not seem to be broken? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 26, 2013 Share #332 Posted May 26, 2013 I know nothing about Canadian law i'm afraid now suppose that you keep the body and it drops in a couple of months due to a faulty lug. Do you think it will still be covered by the warranty? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 26, 2013 Share #333 Posted May 26, 2013 If you jerk the camera by its strap you should expect this to happen. Given the minuscule size of the two screws, the leverage compounded on them by the diameter of the ring mount I would expect them to loosen. I wonder if the factory torques both screws so that they act together or is it likely one is always tighter then the other allowing the loose one to vibrate more loosely? My suggestion would be not to grab the strap and jerk it up when retrieving the camera and to not jump up and down when it's around your neck.Well, not really. Over the years there are very few if any reports of lugs failing under mechanical overload. The construction is certainly strong enough - provided it is assembled correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george + Posted May 26, 2013 Share #334 Posted May 26, 2013 I know nothing about Canadian law i'm afraid now suppose that you keep the body and it drops in a couple of months due to a faulty lug. Do you think it will still be covered by the warranty? Well, that is a concern. Even in Canada. What I am trying to match are the POSSIBLE effects of POSSIBLY loose screws versus the POSSIBLE (or probable?) messing up of a well working assembly that MAY have had nothing wrong with it. And the annoying delay of course. It would be nice to know what causes the concerns. Was it the possible (or certain?) lack of Locktite or was it wrong screws? Or . . . .? Hey Leica! Could we have some information please? Please! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 26, 2013 Share #335 Posted May 26, 2013 Well, that is a concern. Even in Canada... I would send the body in then, no doubt about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgenper Posted May 26, 2013 Share #336 Posted May 26, 2013 Well, my M9 came back on Friday (May 24). It was sent on April 4, so it was a very prolonged absence.... (almost drove me bananas!). But... now it works perfectly; everything correctly adjusted, focusses correctly with all my lenses. No sign of maltreated screws or too shiny surfaces around the RF arm (or elsewhere ). The 75/2 sent in at the same time now focusses perfectly, all the way to infinity (it didn´t before), and my brand new Summilux 50 (which arrived at my dealer´´s the same day as the camera arrived in Solms...) also focusses perfectly, the focus ring turns smoothly all the way too... So, without doubt they can deliver a perfect job (and i strongly believe they do in the absolute majority of cases). And, they did stand up for their product and repaired the M9 for free, after more than three years of heavy use (even though they balked at first). Summing up, I´m very happy with Leica again.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMB Posted May 26, 2013 Share #337 Posted May 26, 2013 Summing up, I´m also very happy with Leica again.... but with an strange feeling that is somewhat depreciated... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted May 27, 2013 Share #338 Posted May 27, 2013 It looks like this nasty black shiny stuff is going to be standard from now on for both new and re-lugged cameras. Perhaps while they were putting dollops of it on the lug screws, some bright spark had the brainwave to put it on all the other screws he could see. Aside from the fact it looks terrible (and, previously, Leica's un-watch-like parts have normally been hidden from view), I also wonder why they did it. It might be they think it will make the rangefinder more resistant to knocks, it may be they wish to make it tamper proof. Whichever it is, it's cheap and I wish they hadn't done it. What's certain is that if (when?) the rangefinder does need to be adjusted, getting that stuff off without damaging the parts will be difficult and it will also shower the inside of the camera with fragments which will leave their presence felt for a long time in the form of dust on the sensor. In other words, the usual Leica shambles. Edit: I forgot to mention the inside surface of my lens mount had two specks of the compound on it, now removed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 27, 2013 Share #339 Posted May 27, 2013 Well, it has been standard for a long time, seeing that my late 1980-ies M6 has the same shiny stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 27, 2013 Share #340 Posted May 27, 2013 Summing up, I´m also very happy with Leica again.... but with an strange feeling that is somewhat depreciated... I think this is partly caused by the fact that a digital m is know updated every 2 to 3 years . While comparisons are being made to M6 cameras pushing 20 years old ( and still working perfectly) I think if any m digital cameras reach 20 years they will be behind glass . Let's face it by the time the M ( 240) is freely available the next model will be ready to be launched. BrianP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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