gfspencer Posted January 22, 2013 Share #1 Posted January 22, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Okay, so I was talking to the Leica rep this morning about using the M8 for strictly Black & White and he said that I don't need to bother with the filters. For those of you who shoot B&W what do you do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stonearabiapix Posted January 22, 2013 Share #2 Posted January 22, 2013 The rep is correct. The M8 will give open shadows better than any other. The m8 renders B&W, better than the MM. Be sure to use raw, you can than post process in your choice of software and use the color channels to dial up the filter of choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 23, 2013 Share #3 Posted January 23, 2013 The rep is correct. In a way The M8 will give open shadows better than any other.Errr... no. The MM has so much more dynamic reserve in the shadow that the IR contamination of the M8 cannot compensate.The m8 renders B&W, better than the MM. Shooting an M8 and MM side by side, this is wishful thinking Be sure to use raw, you can than post process in your choice of software and use the color channels to dial up the filter of choice. Yes and no. Manipulating the colour channels will introduce noise and lose dynamic range, especially on the M8. Even on the M8 it is advisable to use colour filters Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonearabiapix Posted January 23, 2013 Share #4 Posted January 23, 2013 Well, I guess I've been told, but Jaavp? is the rep right or not??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfspencer Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share #5 Posted January 23, 2013 jaapv, understand that I am not comparing an M8 B&W to the M Monochrome. I'm just looking for the best way to shoot the M8 in Black & White. (I'm thinking about buying an ME for color and keeping the M8 for B&W. A Monochrome is out of my league right now. ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramosa Posted January 23, 2013 Share #6 Posted January 23, 2013 Definitely. You can use a UV filter simply for protection, but it's best not to use a UV/IR for B&W on the M8. (In fact, I never use UV/IR anymore, as I mostly aim for B&W images and don't note the related problems in the few color images that I end up with.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Gunst Lund Posted January 23, 2013 Share #7 Posted January 23, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I depends on weather you need/must to have true colors to work with when converting or if you can live with the less black, purple cast colors. He is true; You don't need to use the UV/IR filters... I keep the UV/IR filters on, but I only convert some images to BW not all... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 23, 2013 Share #8 Posted January 23, 2013 Definitely. You can use a UV filter simply for protection, but it's best not to use a UV/IR for B&W on the M8... Matter of tastes i guess, i do exactly the contrary. UV/IR filters are not necessary for B&W but they seem to give a crisper look to my images. Comes from less IR contamination perhaps, i don't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 23, 2013 Share #9 Posted January 23, 2013 I wonder why it is then Jaapv that M8 black and white images look a lot better than the Monochrom pictures? They don't From what I've seen the Monochrom images look way too "chocolate boxy" and are a bit flat and lacking any grain or feeling to them. M8 files converted to B&W produce the BEST digital B&W I have ever seen - even better than an M9!! Well, PP skills vary. Compare the same subject by the same photographer - and in print!. Web images tell you nothing. And yes the M8 has in general easier B&W than the M9. It takes me more PP to get those cameras equal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 23, 2013 Share #10 Posted January 23, 2013 Well, I guess I've been told, but Jaavp? is the rep right or not??? You gain shadow detail, but you lose microcontrast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted January 25, 2013 Share #11 Posted January 25, 2013 Okay, so I was talking to the Leica rep this morning about using the M8 for strictly Black & White and he said that I don't need to bother with the filters. For those of you who shoot B&W what do you do? absolutely NO filters if shooting B&W. totally unnecessary! the only reason i ever put on a UV filter once in a while, is if i want to protect the lens a little bit when i'm out...otherwise never. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted January 26, 2013 Share #12 Posted January 26, 2013 Could the M8 be the thinking man's MM ? ... And also save a lot of £$€ ? dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Jones Posted January 26, 2013 Share #13 Posted January 26, 2013 Not really, the MM gives you incredible high ISO values so you can shoot with greater depth of field and slower lenses in a greater variety of situations. The M8 is a great B&W camera however, and in normal light it can give great results for a fraction of the price. If you take IR photos on an M8 the focus needs adjusting considerably to achieve proper focus, it stands to reason that this out of focus content is included in photos taken without the filter so the images should be sharper with a UV/IR filter on. I'd be interested to hear if this is not the case as I'm not too experienced in IR photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted January 26, 2013 Share #14 Posted January 26, 2013 Not really, the MM gives you incredible high ISO values so you can shoot with greater depth of field and slower lenses in a greater variety of situations. The M8 is a great B&W camera however, and in normal light it can give great results for a fraction of the price.If you take IR photos on an M8 the focus needs adjusting considerably to achieve proper focus, it stands to reason that this out of focus content is included in photos taken without the filter so the images should be sharper with a UV/IR filter on. I'd be interested to hear if this is not the case as I'm not too experienced in IR photography. Exactly ... so it's an excellent substitute for anyone who cannot justify the cost of an MM. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted January 26, 2013 Share #15 Posted January 26, 2013 Could the M8 be the thinking man's MM ? ... And also save a lot of £$€ ? dunk thinking man? dunno about that....but it IS the alternative for the man with a thinning wallet! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mawe3000 Posted January 28, 2013 Share #16 Posted January 28, 2013 In some situations, I wish I had used a UV/IR filter when shooting b/w. Especially in situations with very high IR "pollution", like in the shade under foliage or in incandescent light, people might look spooky, with pale skin and dark eyes. Also, dyed hair reveals its true color, shaded glasses become transparent and black clothing turns grey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lax Jought Posted January 28, 2013 Share #17 Posted January 28, 2013 In some situations, I wish I had used a UV/IR filter when shooting b/w. Especially in situations with very high IR "pollution", like in the shade under foliage or in incandescent light, people might look spooky, with pale skin and dark eyes. Also, dyed hair reveals its true color, shaded glasses become transparent and black clothing turns grey. That sounds pretty awesome, I'd love to see some of these shots! Have you got some you haven't deleted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mawe3000 Posted January 28, 2013 Share #18 Posted January 28, 2013 Here's one. The girl in the middle had black-dyed hair and black clothes. A candle was involved here. Lens was a CV 35/1.4 wide open, thus the glow. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/196705-m8-without-filter-for-bw/?do=findComment&comment=2227190'>More sharing options...
Lax Jought Posted January 28, 2013 Share #19 Posted January 28, 2013 I see exactly what you mean, thanks. It looks like a kind of pseudo-infrared photo, kind of IR but not quite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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