jaapv Posted January 8, 2013 Share #581 Â Posted January 8, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Â I'm afraid Jaap that you are doomed to indigestion as a result of hat-eating Not me - Jeff S wants his pudding and Peter his icecream - as I said I am not really convinced yet. Â Handholdability does not worry me- I am real good at that (better than at the actual image ) I will undertake to shoot a 300 at 125/th or slower with any camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted January 8, 2013 Share #582 Â Posted January 8, 2013 Not me - Jeff S wants his pudding and Peter his icecream - as I said I am not really convinced yet. Â Handholdability does not worry me- I am real good at that (better than at the actual image ) I will undertake to shoot a 300 at 125/th or slower with any camera. Â It must be practice with all those tricky molar root canals that has done the trick. I doubt that without IS, I could hand hold a 300mm lens at under 1/500th. Â Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 8, 2013 Share #583 Â Posted January 8, 2013 Yes, training is the answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share #584  Posted January 8, 2013 K-H, I have been using a Voigtlander Super Wide Heliar on the EP-2 and no problems with red edges.  Wilson  Hmm - slightly off topic, but I notice significant red contamination with the EP-2 with either the 18mm Zeiss F4 or the Leica 28 Summicron. Fixable in a profile I think, but obviously we hope for infinitely better results from the M-240!  See below: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/190687-preparing-for-the-m/?do=findComment&comment=2209208'>More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted January 8, 2013 Share #585 Â Posted January 8, 2013 Chris, Â Thanks for the tests. That confirms my expectations. Â I am absolutely convinced there will not be this issue with the M240. Â The question though remains whether the OM-D E-M5, the latest MFT camera also suffers from this issue. Off topic I know. Again, I suspect Jono already knows the answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 8, 2013 Share #586 Â Posted January 8, 2013 How do you guys envision the M's EVF behavior with a frame rate limited to 30 fps? I mean on moving subjects mainly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted January 8, 2013 Share #587 Â Posted January 8, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Excellent question! My guess: subpar with respect to the state of the art of the industry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 8, 2013 Share #588 Â Posted January 8, 2013 How do you guys envision the M's EVF behavior with a frame rate limited to 30 fps? I mean on moving subjects mainly. Â It takes a little getting used to but is doable with practice. It's like skeet and trap shooting at first. You lead them a little. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share #589 Â Posted January 8, 2013 I tend to agree - what I like about the VF2 is that even with lenses stopped down to f16 it remains bright enough to be usable. What I'm not sure about is how it would be for tracking a fast moving subject. This is why I'm still not selling my 5D2 + latest Canon USM L IS 70-200 f2.8. I suspect I still may have a use for a DSLR from time to time. HOWEVER, for macro, occasional tripod based longish telephoto (up to 300) and regular work with 90 to 135 M lenses I really see the EVF as a very valuable adjunct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 8, 2013 Share #590  Posted January 8, 2013 Jaap, I was using the VF-2 with a 560 Telyt and focusing was far easier than using a Visoflex. Especially as the amplification meant you did not have to change the aperture to focus and then stop down to take a photo. However, compared with the Olympus, I am going to miss image stabilisation on the M-240. I wish they had incorporated this along with a supersonic sensor shaker to get rid of dust, just like the cheap little Olympus has. I am amazed how clean the sensor stays on it.  Wilson  Static or moving subject? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share #591 Â Posted January 8, 2013 It takes a little getting used to but is doable with practice. It's like skeet and trap shooting at first. You lead them a little. Â But I assume that you're doing this with a EP-2 or equivalent. Unless you've just broken your NDA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted January 8, 2013 Share #592 Â Posted January 8, 2013 But I assume that you're doing this with a EP-2 or equivalent. Unless you've just broken your NDA Â Â Chris, Â One more point to take into account, IIRC the E-P2 operates the Optional V-F2 at 60 Hz. I hope I got that correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted January 8, 2013 Share #593 Â Posted January 8, 2013 The S series is hardly a sports or wildlife camera. No long lenses.... Â Now - - I am still very interested whether that EVF is good enough to use really long lenses (i.e. 300 mm and over) comfortably Only time will tell. Â Jaap-- Â Dale Labs in Florida makes adapters for Zeiss Hasselblad lenses for use on the S. This last weekend on an unrelated photo exercise, I was with the guy who wrote a short article on their website about his experiences with this setup. I plan to test it out with my 350 and their 500 Zeiss soon.Granted no AF, but what about focus confirmation? Â Frankly, with the new M, I was quite impressed with the Photokina setup using the Leica 82 (800mm?) scope. I posted the setup and a shot taken in Photokina of an X2 at about 25 meters. I did not get the employee's name who designed a special adapter to make this work on the M. Most people completely missed this setup as they were over at the M counter looking at the camera there. I spent over an hour with the camera at the sporting scope area with the lone M setup they were demonstrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share #594  Posted January 8, 2013 Chris, One more point to take into account, IIRC the E-P2 operates the Optional V-F2 at 60 Hz. I hope I got that correct.  KH - I've not looked at this closely. I'm certainly not planning to use the EP-2 as a substitute for the M! Given that Leica have been able to implement focus assist more elegantly with the M-240, I'm hoping (and have good reason to hope) that the implementation overall of the EVF will be as good as or better than the way the VF-2 works on the Olympus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted January 8, 2013 Share #595 Â Posted January 8, 2013 On the Ricoh GXR with M mount, the focus peaking is very similar to what I remember the focus peaking at Photokina on the M was. Leica has put the red on it which for my eyes will be welcomed as often the focus peaking on the GXR with M lenses and long R lenses is not noticeable enough for me. That said, the 4x magnification feature on the GXR is VERY helpful in that regard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted January 8, 2013 Share #596 Â Posted January 8, 2013 IIRC, photokina folks who played with the M240, reported that the EVF automatically switches into magnification when one changed focus, and then switches automatically back to the whole frame. Â I hope I got that right because that would be very useful in my experience playing with NEX cameras. NEXs don't do that. However, when in magnified view and one halfway presses the shutter button they switch into 1x view. So, with the thumb one can get back into magnified view without taking the eye off the EVF. Â So, if I understood the photokina folks correctly, then I would prefer Leica's approach in this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 8, 2013 Share #597 Â Posted January 8, 2013 Jaap--Â Dale Labs in Florida makes adapters for Zeiss Hasselblad lenses for use on the S. This last weekend on an unrelated photo exercise, I was with the guy who wrote a short article on their website about his experiences with this setup. I plan to test it out with my 350 and their 500 Zeiss soon.Granted no AF, but what about focus confirmation? Â Frankly, with the new M, I was quite impressed with the Photokina setup using the Leica 82 (800mm?) scope. I posted the setup and a shot taken in Photokina of an X2 at about 25 meters. I did not get the employee's name who designed a special adapter to make this work on the M. Most people completely missed this setup as they were over at the M counter looking at the camera there. I spent over an hour with the camera at the sporting scope area with the lone M setup they were demonstrating. Al, please don't... I was not planning on an M and still I am dithering. Now throwing an S into the mix with Zeiss lens which is way out of my reach in the stratosphere of both finance and skill really cuts me up.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted January 8, 2013 Share #598 Â Posted January 8, 2013 Jaap--Â Frankly, with the new M, I was quite impressed with the Photokina setup using the Leica 82 (800mm?) scope. I posted the setup and a shot taken in Photokina of an X2 at about 25 meters. I did not get the employee's name who designed a special adapter to make this work on the M. Most people completely missed this setup as they were over at the M counter looking at the camera there. I spent over an hour with the camera at the sporting scope area with the lone M setup they were demonstrating. Â Â I remember that post. Very cool! Where can I order that adapter for the M and scope? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightwrangler Posted January 8, 2013 Share #599 Â Posted January 8, 2013 IIRC, photokina folks who played with the M240, reported that the EVF automatically switches into magnification when one changed focus, and then switches automatically back to the whole frame. Â That's exactly how it worked last time I tried the M240, but only with M-lenses btw, because the magnification - or peaking, depending on the menu setting - triggering is attached to the focus lever. Â Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted January 8, 2013 Share #600  Posted January 8, 2013 That's exactly how it worked last time I tried the M240, but only with M-lenses btw, because the magnification - or peaking, depending on the menu setting - triggering is attached to the focus lever. Mike   So, what happens if you have the new Leica adapter with an R lens? How do you switch in that case? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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