Peter H Posted October 29, 2012 Share #101 Â Posted October 29, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm frightened by the financial implications of a bunch of brand-new M lenses at focal lengths never before seen in M spec. Â So, for purely artistic reasons (of course) I'm going to convince myself that nothing outside the 21-90mm is really worth taking seriously, and that 28-50 is really where it's at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wildlightphoto Posted October 29, 2012 Share #102 Â Posted October 29, 2012 My dream? Reintroduce the 28-90 R zoom with rangefinder coupling... Â Viewfinder blockage would make the RF coupling pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted October 29, 2012 Share #103  Posted October 29, 2012 .......My dream? Reintroduce the 28-90 R zoom with rangefinder coupling and click stop settings of 28-35-50-75-90 to set the frame lines to allow use in both Live View and Rangefinder mode. I wonder how much the Leica APO Penta-Elmarit-M 28-90 mm f2.8 ASPH would cost?  Indeed. See posts 52-54 for one guess  http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/2217447-post53.html  http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/2217502-post54.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMB Posted October 29, 2012 Share #104 Â Posted October 29, 2012 I am also curious to check which will be the result of joining the duplicator Apo 2X R with the APO 3.4 180 mm R, and even the Apo-Telyt 3,4 135 mm M. (This one could give us a very good 270 mm). Â Francisco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMB Posted October 29, 2012 Share #105 Â Posted October 29, 2012 Pardon. I know this last combination only could be possible with an special adapter. Â Francisco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted October 29, 2012 Share #106 Â Posted October 29, 2012 There was a thread a few years ago about tele-extenders for M lenses. Apparently there have been a couple made and a picture of one was posted but posters said they were dreadful and obviously not RF coupled. Â Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted October 29, 2012 Share #107 Â Posted October 29, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) This thread has had me rapidly descending into the realms of lens insanity...... Â Hours of internet hunting, poring over hopelessly huge and unmanageable macro/tele/zoom lenses to bolt onto what was meant to be a small supremely portable camera ...... Â I sold 10kg of Nikon gear that almost crippled me when I went on holiday to escape from this madness...... Â Apart from a 60 Macro and 2x Adapter (to photograph jewellery that I make) I am sure can live without the rest of the ever lengthening list of possibly 'usable' lenses...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 29, 2012 Share #108 Â Posted October 29, 2012 Viewfinder blockage would make the RF coupling pointless. Â Ah yes, true enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 29, 2012 Share #109  Posted October 29, 2012 I am also curious to check which will be the result of joining the duplicator Apo 2X R with the APO 3.4 180 mm R, and even the Apo-Telyt 3,4 135 mm M. (This one could give us a very good 270 mm). Francisco. The Apo 180/3.4 R performs flawlessly with the 2xApo-Extender. I have used the combo on film, the DMR and Digilux3 with equally good results (related to the quality of the recording medium of course) I fail to see how you could fit the Apo-Telyt 135 M to the Ap0o-extender R, however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 29, 2012 Share #110 Â Posted October 29, 2012 I wonder how much the Leica APO Penta-Elmarit-M 28-90 mm f2.8 ASPH would cost? Would you not rather buy a new RangeRover instead? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 29, 2012 Share #111 Â Posted October 29, 2012 I have been offered an unused, old unsold stock, Polaroid 500mm f6.3 Cadiotropic lens at an extremely modest price. This lens is T mount, so I would also need a T to M adapter (available from Fleabay for around $30). Has anyone any experience of this lens, which was also sold under various other labels - ProOptic etc? I suspect it is nothing to write home about and will have the usual cadiotropic issues of weird bokeh. On the other hand it is a lot easier to carry around than my 550/5.6 Telyt and Televit and I doubt if it would be much, if any, optically inferior either. I am always concerned with the 550 Telyt/Televit outfit, that when the essential shoulder stock is mounted, I will be taken for a terrorist plus rocket launcher and some trigger happy cop will shoot first and ask questions later. Â Wilson Even the Leica 500/8 mirror lens was nothing to write home about. I would not pay too much for this lens if I were you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 30, 2012 Share #112 Â Posted October 30, 2012 The Apo 180/3.4 R performs flawlessly with the 2xApo-Extender. I have used the combo on film, the DMR and Digilux3 with equally good results (related to the quality of the recording medium of course) I fail to see how you could fit the Apo-Telyt 135 M to the Ap0o-extender R, however. Â Jaap-- For safari or wildlife shooting does the APO 280 and 2x APO make a nice 560? Ever try the 350 with the 2x APO? And how about the 400/6.8.? OK, so the 500 is not so great. Got it. How about the 70-210 zoom or the 80-200? Â Will the M perform fast enough with any of the above lenses or combinations to work well over the xyz autofocus SLR in non-static situations? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted October 30, 2012 Share #113  Posted October 30, 2012 For safari or wildlife shooting does the APO 280 and 2x APO make a nice 560?  280mm f/4 APO + 2x APO-Extender-R on the R8 with DMR:  photographs of birds by Douglas Herr photographs of birds by Douglas Herr photographs of birds by Douglas Herr photographs of birds by Douglas Herr photographs of birds by Douglas Herr photographs of birds by Douglas Herr  Ever try the 350 with the 2x APO?  Not impressive, but my impression may have been colored by several years' experience with the 280mm f/4 APO.  And how about the 400/6.8.?  It was my first Leitz lens; good central sharpness, very light weight, good bokeh (within limits), excellent flare control, very quick handling after a learning curve but the 280 APO + 1.4x leaves it in the dust in nearly all respects. I would expect that the 400mm f/6.8 has the same spherochromatic aberration issues the 560mm f/6.8 has, but I haven't looked for it.  Will the M perform fast enough with any of the above lenses or combinations to work well over the xyz autofocus SLR in non-static situations?  I don't think we can determine this until production samples are used in real-life situations, but my gut-level guess is that it will be challenging to match the speed of a pro-level dSLR. Will it work well enough? That's up to each user to determine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 30, 2012 Share #114 Â Posted October 30, 2012 Jaap-- For safari or wildlife shooting does the APO 280 and 2x APO make a nice 560?Ever try the 350 with the 2x APO? And how about the 400/6.8.? OK, so the 500 is not so great. Got it. How about the 70-210 zoom or the 80-200? Â Will the M perform fast enough with any of the above lenses or combinations to work well over the xyz autofocus SLR in non-static situations? My standard safari combo used to be 280/4.0 Apo and 1.4x Apo extender. This lens does not lose visible quality with either of the extenders. For mammal shooting 560 is on the long side. Most Safari work will be done in the 135-400 range with 280 being the standard lens. Nowadays I have the vario-Elmar 105-280 which is very close in quality and more versatile. What remains to be seen is whether focus peaking will work for lenses and combo's like these as they will not be selectable in the menu.. Without it focussing will be very difficult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 30, 2012 Share #115  Posted October 30, 2012 There was a thread a few years ago about tele-extenders for M lenses. Apparently there have been a couple made and a picture of one was posted but posters said they were dreadful and obviously not RF coupled.  Wilson  Some are RF coupled indeed (see this one for sale - Komura) : Newoldcamera - Scheda prodotto I had a Kenko (2x - LTM - coupled) many years ago : very modest performances : eated away contrast and sharpness on any 50-90 and focusing with 135s was a pain unless closing to 8-11 (which meant 16-22...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 30, 2012 Share #116 Â Posted October 30, 2012 They had the 28-90 R on it and I used it with LV so there were no frame lines since I only used it that way. I felt why use frame lines when LV gave me the focusing I wanted to experience with the red shimmering lines around the "in focus" area.. Sorry did not use the frame lines now. Â Sorry... do you mean that you used the 28-90 R with adapter and you had the focus peaking feature working ? LV on LCD or EVF too ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted October 30, 2012 Share #117 Â Posted October 30, 2012 Hmm Yes - I'm preparing Too! I have: 21-35 28-90 35-70 f4 60 macro 80-200 f4 180 f2.8 APO . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted October 30, 2012 Share #118 Â Posted October 30, 2012 Sorry... do you mean that you used the 28-90 R with adapter and you had the focus peaking feature working ? LV on LCD or EVF too ? Â Hi Luigi As far as I'm aware focus peaking does work on live view and on EVF on any lens, whether coded / selected or not - so it should also work with lenses with the extenders added. Â all the best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 31, 2012 Author Share #119  Posted October 31, 2012 Continuing to reflect on this and considering real world needs. I had this fantasy of selling out of DSLs and going for an M-240 set up only, but after a shoot in a central London theatre yesterday (great production of La Boheme if you're in town) I think I'm going to stick with the the mix I currently have (2 M bodies working mainly with 28 + 50 + 1 5D mk2 with the USM 70-200 IS mk2). This feels like a perfect combination for this kind of shoot as I get the image quality I need with the Leica lenses, but I have the real value of the excellent glass + image stabilisation and AF technology in the Canon kit.  Given the lighting conditions I was working + the very rapidly changing scenes (I was working in the centre of the auditorium with action in 2 balconies and a rear bar area) I really don't think I could have got the shots I needed with a manual focus lens. See the examples below - 1. Canon 5D2 + 70-200 / 2. M9 + 28 apo summicron  And the M-240? If IQ is what we hope it will be, I still plan to sell on my M9s and get a pair of M-240 bodies. However, given that I don't feel I could justify the expense of the 70-180 200 f2.8 (and I don't think it would be the best tool), I'm looking forward to working with my current range of lenses with improved IQ, AND having the EVF for better focusing on the 135 A-T + macro work, and having the 80-200 f4 for landscape and nature. For theatre and events (which are bread and butter) I will hold on to a DSLR system for long glass. An R zoom (35-70?) which can only be used with EVF, I'm not sure - I'd be interested to hear from others where they feel this will be helpful... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/190687-preparing-for-the-m/?do=findComment&comment=2154936'>More sharing options...
lct Posted October 31, 2012 Share #120 Â Posted October 31, 2012 +1. The OlyLeica EVF will be a modern Visoflex but will hardly replace a good DSLR most probably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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