farnz Posted October 20, 2012 Share #81 Posted October 20, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Rollei 40mm f/2.8 Sonnar. For the time being. Pete. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 20, 2012 Posted October 20, 2012 Hi farnz, Take a look here Favorite non leica lens for leica M. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jsjxyz Posted October 21, 2012 Share #82 Posted October 21, 2012 Mine is CV 21 mm f/4 skopar. Very compact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpsawin Posted October 21, 2012 Share #83 Posted October 21, 2012 Zeiss 25/2.8 Biogon Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marignac Posted November 10, 2012 Share #84 Posted November 10, 2012 CV 35/1.2 II ASPH (which is again a tad better on the M9 than on M8. Dunno why that is, but M9 images do have a some sort of coherence (for lack of a better term), M8 images lack). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artichoke Posted November 10, 2012 Share #85 Posted November 10, 2012 is the CV 40 Nokton f1.4 Classic light & small I enjoy using this focal length even more on the M9 than I did with the M8 the CZ 15 f2.8 Distagon is a beast of a lens, but optically outstanding this lens is not focus coupled, making it a challenge to use at its wider apertures the focus ring has a very short throw at distance, so this lens takes some learning to use well, but the results are well worth the effort I endorse other contributor's enthusiasm for the CV 35 Nokton f1.2 (I have the first version) whether the extra size is worth its extra speed is debatable, but it is the fastest 35 available for the M mount & a relative bargain, particularly considering its optical excellence Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michali Posted November 11, 2012 Share #86 Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) Jupiter3 50mm f1.5 followed by Jupiter12 35mm f2.8 I absolutely love the way these 2 lenses render images on the Monochrom! (Total cost for both was about USD$180.00). A random shot with the Jupiter 35mm & Monochrom. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited November 11, 2012 by michali 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/186000-favorite-non-leica-lens-for-leica-m/?do=findComment&comment=2164286'>More sharing options...
sdk Posted December 4, 2012 Share #87 Posted December 4, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Zeiss 25mm/2.8 Biogon ZM is my favorite non-Leica lens, followed by the 21mm/2.8 Biogon ZM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwg Posted December 4, 2012 Share #88 Posted December 4, 2012 @Michali: Wonderful rendering indeed, I might have to look into one of those after all! @sdk: Interesting that you have both of them - I heard a lot of praise for the 25mm, but less so for the 21mm - do you find there to be a big difference in practical use? I was tempted by the 25mm, but since the M9 doesn't have framelines for it, I just cannot get myself to use an external finder (besides the cost and having to buy a new thumbs-up with a cold shoe). Maybe 21mm is wide enough to make me change my mind. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlG Posted December 4, 2012 Share #89 Posted December 4, 2012 I love the rendering of my Jupiter-3, both on film & also on the M8. The ZM 25/2.8 is also a stunning lens, amazing rendering and ridiculously sharp (rivals my 50 Summicron). If I need a proper wide, the CV 15mm is also VERY nice, especially when its low price & tiny size are considered! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted December 5, 2012 Share #90 Posted December 5, 2012 Own: Voigtlander Ultron 2/28 Want: Zeiss ZM Sonnar 1.5/50 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted December 5, 2012 Share #91 Posted December 5, 2012 (edited) I'm surprised no one has mentioned the ZM 28/2.8 yet (unless I missed it). It's a great modern lens, very little distortion, and great colors. A lot of people are saying ZM 50/1.5 Sonnar. I have a Summarit 50/1.5 that is awesome -- is the Sonnar a clone of the Summarit, or some other lens? (Just curious) The Sonnar uses a, well Sonnar design. The Summarit is based on a pre-war design by Taylor-Hobson Cooke. I believe it is a Planar variant. Leica had to license the design, because of patent issues with Zeiss and the Sonnar formula. Or at least that is how I remember it. Leica (Leitz) sold the lens as the Xenon 1.5/50 (pre-war) The Zeiss Sonnar 1.5/50 was killing Leica from it's inception in the 1930's and it wasn't until after the war, when Japanese Sonnar clones appeared that there was serious competition. It was finally Nikon that beat Zeiss at their own game with their version of a sonnar formula 1.5/50. It was discoverd by David Douglas Duncan, who was on a stop over in Japan on his way to cover the Korean War. That was Nikon's big break and the rest is history.It really wasn't until the arrival of the first version of the Summilux 1.4/50 that Leica finally surpassed the Sonnar 1.5/50. Nikon followed up with their famous 1.4/50. The Summarit is a coated version of the Xenon 1.5/50 and was released after the war. It evolved in to the 50 Summilux, of which there are a total of three optical versions (to pre-asph and the current asph) Edited December 5, 2012 by thrid Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted December 5, 2012 Share #92 Posted December 5, 2012 The Sonnar uses a, well Sonnar design. The Summarit is based on a pre-war design by Taylor-Hobson Cooke. I believe it is a Planar variant. It's the Sonnar which is derived from the Cooke triplet. The Planar is based on the Double-Gauss design, which is very far away from the Cooke triplet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted December 5, 2012 Share #93 Posted December 5, 2012 It's the Sonnar which is derived from the Cooke triplet. The Planar is based on the Double-Gauss design, which is very far away from the Cooke triplet. What are the advantages of each of these designs? Pete Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted December 5, 2012 Share #94 Posted December 5, 2012 What are the advantages of each of these designs? This I have wondered before, too. I don't know. From what I've read, the big picture seems to be like this (but it might be wrong): Back in the times before World War II—i. e. before lens coatings and modern sophisticated glass types—the Sonnar design was considered superior but difficult to manufacture, hence expensive. The Double-Gauss design was easier to make (less stringent manufacturing tolerances) but slightly inferior in terms of performance. In the decades after WW II, nearly all lens makers adopted the Double-Gauss principle for their medium-speed and fast-speed standard lenses because it has more degrees of freedom for improvements through coatings and, most importantly, new glass types. So after a while, the new Double-Gauss designs outperformed the old Sonnar design. Today, even Zeiss ifself is using the original Sonnar design only for a reminiscence of a classic lens from the 1930s (C-Sonnar 50 mm 1:1.5 ZM) while their modern high-end fast standard lenses inevitably are Planars (= Double-Gauss). Non-standard Zeiss lenses bearing the 'Sonnar' name today usually are no classic Sonnar designs anymore; instead, the name has become more like a synonym for 'high-end lens'—see for example 'Vario-Sonnar' (vs. 'Vario-Tessar'). But then again, this is the picture formed in my head after reading (and interpreting) several sources. It might be inaccurate, incomplete, or even wrong. So anyone with better knowledge, feel free to add or to correct. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted December 5, 2012 Share #95 Posted December 5, 2012 ... Non-standard Zeiss lenses bearing the 'Sonnar' name today usually are no classic Sonnar designs anymore; ... My reading indicates the same and that they're like to be a derivative of the Ernostat design or a Sonnar front end married to a Double Gauss back end rather than a true 5/4 or 7/3 Sonnar design (the Sonnar design evolved from the Ernostat as I understand it). Pete. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted December 6, 2012 Share #96 Posted December 6, 2012 Rollei 40mm f/2.8 Sonnar. For the time being. Pete. +1 The Rollei 40mm and Minolta Rokkor 40mm F2 CLE Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cary Posted December 6, 2012 Share #97 Posted December 6, 2012 Canon 50mm f1.8 on my M3. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted December 6, 2012 Share #98 Posted December 6, 2012 Nikon | Imaging Products | NIKKOR - The Thousand and One Nights / Tale 16 : Ai Noct NIKKOR 58mm f/1.2 Nikon Imaging | NIKKOR - The Thousand and One Nights / Tale 28 : Ai AF Nikkor 28 mm f/1.4D Nikon | Imaging Products | AF-S NIKKOR 14-24mm f/2.8G ED (1.7x) Nikon | Imaging Products | AF Fisheye-Nikkor 16mm f/2.8D Nikon | Imaging Products | AF DX Fisheye-Nikkor 10.5mm f/2.8G ED Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted December 10, 2012 Share #99 Posted December 10, 2012 Zeiss ZM 18/4.0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocean2059 Posted December 13, 2012 Share #100 Posted December 13, 2012 Konica Hexanon 50/1.2 M Konica UC-Hexanon 35/2.0 LTM Zeiss ZM Biogon 25/2.8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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