IWC Doppel Posted June 8, 2012 Share #1 Â Posted June 8, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am thinking about an everyday 50mm, I have a 50 Lux V1 with hood and would like to try another 50mm for outdoor daylight use. Â Any views of the Elmarit vs Summicron regarding rendering etc. I am not a super detail man and like the size of the Elmar M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ivar B Posted June 8, 2012 Share #2 Â Posted June 8, 2012 I think you refer to the Elmar-M 50mm (although being a 2.8, it should be an Elmarit). I have supplemented my 1.4/50 ASPH with the 2.8/50. The 2.8/50 is very compact of course and I also find that it draws beautifully; especially clean colours. Some say it may be better than the 1.4/50 ASPH in the close up range, but I have no experience with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
}{B Posted June 8, 2012 Share #3 Â Posted June 8, 2012 If you don't need the faster speeds of F2 or even F1.4 then the Elmar M is a good buy. Â As for it's 'look' outdoors see my post ' Lichen' in the nature section. Â http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/nature-wildlife/241915-lichen.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted June 8, 2012 Share #4 Â Posted June 8, 2012 The 50mm Elmar-M is a terrific lens. Draws beautifully. The only thing I dislike about it, is that the front does not have one fixed position when pulled out like the older versions. that makes that the diaphragm ring sometimes ends at the wrong site of the lens. Besides this... it is just great, and, but this is personally, I like the looks of this old design. At the moment I mostly use my 50mm summicron (last version). Build quality feels a but better than that of the Elmar-M. With regard to image quality... they just draw differently. Both are great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm23221 Posted June 8, 2012 Share #5 Â Posted June 8, 2012 The Elmar is more compact and renders the same as the Summicron at a moderate f stop. If I really want to travel light, the Elmar is always with me. It is one of the fastest focusing lenses available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted June 8, 2012 Share #6 Â Posted June 8, 2012 I think you refer to the Elmar-M 50mm (although being a 2.8, it should be an Elmarit). I have supplemented my 1.4/50 ASPH with the 2.8/50. The 2.8/50 is very compact of course and I also find that it draws beautifully; especially clean colours. Some say it may be better than the 1.4/50 ASPH in the close up range, but I have no experience with that. Â I did likewise, added a black Elmar-M 50 to my 50 lux asph, because I want to stay light, compact and discrete when traveling and because I *feel* that the lux 50 asph is a bit vulnerable at the tab because of its mass. I'd rather keep it at home for stills. I only compared them in close-up range and I really see no differences at 2.8 and up, except in the bokeh where both are beautiful but the Elmar-M a bit more defined. Btw, the Elmar-M has a slightly wider angle as you can see in the specs. However: this was my second try of an Elmar-M 50, my first experience was not that enthusiastic, it was much softer than this copy, so I would advise you to seriously check before you buy; I now have a more recent version. I did not decide for the Summicron, because it's not that compact and in situations where compactness is not the issue I prefer the Summilux Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted June 8, 2012 Share #7 Â Posted June 8, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I agree with the comments about clean colours and rendering and I'd be inclined to call them crisp. This 'look' doesn't appeal to everyone and if that includes you then you might like to consider an early Zeiss 50/2 Sonnar. I have one from 1947 and it has a lovely fingerprint that's quite different from your Summilux. Â Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted June 8, 2012 Share #8 Â Posted June 8, 2012 The only thing I dislike about it, is that the front does not have one fixed position when pulled out like the older versions. that makes that the diaphragm ring sometimes ends at the wrong site of the lens. Â When I collapse mine, it stays in the same position because it is quite stiff, which is about one third of a circle to the right, so I do not experience this problem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgcm Posted June 8, 2012 Share #9 Â Posted June 8, 2012 I own Elmar-m and I like it, but, if I were you, I would consider also a Summarit 50. It's small, light and cheap. Having both, I used both extensively. Summarit is far better than Elmar-m Fgcm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bybrett Posted June 11, 2012 Share #10 Â Posted June 11, 2012 Summarit is contrasty and sharp, sometimes tart... Elmar-M has it's own soft nutty flavour which I much prefer on digital capture. My all time favourite go anywhere lens. Got to be chrome for build and balance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmond_terakopian Posted June 11, 2012 Share #11 Â Posted June 11, 2012 I have an Elmar-M too (black though Brett ;-) ). It's a great little lens, beautiful rendition and when collapsed, makes you M easily pocketable. Highly recommended :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
photoshutter Posted July 5, 2012 Share #12 Â Posted July 5, 2012 I have Elmar-M and Summarit-M, well, Summarit is very sharp in corners at all aperture, but center is less sharp than Elmar, Summarit has some CA, Elmar almost no CA, corners becomes very good after 5.6 on Elmar, for me, Elmar has more 3D look than Summarit. Summarit-M just perfect sharp lens, Elmar has better shadows too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 6, 2012 Share #13 Â Posted July 6, 2012 How do you rate the bokeh of the Summarit 50/2.5 compared to that of the last Elmar 50/2.8? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted July 6, 2012 Share #14 Â Posted July 6, 2012 The (my) Elmar-M is sharp as hell, contrasty and almost immune to flare. Great little lens, which is often underestimated. My copy firmly locks into place (it does require some effort to do so, however) when extended, so there is no problem of varying aperture stop locations. Â Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted July 7, 2012 Share #15 Â Posted July 7, 2012 I am thinking about an everyday 50mm, I have a 50 Lux V1 with hood and would like to try another 50mm for outdoor daylight use. Â Any views of the Elmarit vs Summicron regarding rendering etc. I am not a super detail man and like the size of the Elmar M Â I had the modern version Elmar-M on two different occasions (first was a chrome and at a later time a black one). As to the size, it's really small without the hood attached. But because it's a screw-on hood it was more convenient for me to just leave it on always, and that adds about a centimeter or a little more to the length. Â As for optical performance, I also have a Lux pre-ASPH (V2, i.e. black, e43 filter) and since you said it's for outdoor daylight use, I will mention that if you mean stopped down, I certainly couldn't see any difference between these lenses from f/5.6 on down. The Elmar certainly was lighter than the Lux though. Moreso if your V1 is a chrome version, which is heavier than my black anodised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergius Posted July 7, 2012 Share #16 Â Posted July 7, 2012 In my humble opinion every leica kit must have a 50 summicron. The 50 summicron is a legend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 7, 2012 Share #17 Â Posted July 7, 2012 There are many legends at Leica's. For good light i prefer the Elmar and for low light i favor the Summilux asph and pre-asph so my dear old Summicron tends to remain on the shelf i'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted July 7, 2012 Share #18 Â Posted July 7, 2012 How do the Elmar, Summicron and Summilux compare at apertures f5.6-f11 ? Which is sharpest/resolves the most? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4X5B&W Posted July 7, 2012 Share #19 Â Posted July 7, 2012 I just bought a mint condition Ver. IV Summicron, and shot with it extensively yesterday. Â I must say for a 33 year old design the image quality is totally modern, and I am shocked at how well it compares to today's ASPH designs. Â I would say a legendary design, based on my copy...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergius Posted July 7, 2012 Share #20 Â Posted July 7, 2012 There are many legends at Leica's. For good light i prefer the Elmar and for low light i favor the Summilux asph and pre-asph so my dear old Summicron tends to remain on the shelf i'm afraid. Â In fact your Summicron remains on the shelf. So you have it and you never think to sell it ! Right ? :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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