IWC Doppel Posted April 16, 2012 Author Share #21  Posted April 16, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have taken a punt for a copy one from e-bay, I hope it's an okay decision !  To update you all.  It came through, looked okay, fitted okay, but clips are sharp and will mark the lens coming on and off. Also the colour is not quite right as the outside looks very matt so doesn't really match the black lens very well. I sold it to my brother who painted the outside to better match his 35 MkIV lens. It looked good on his camera, but it is cheap - no question. Plus it was £50 so I was expecting better....  It finally buckled in his bag during transport, the bag was not obviously knocked he can only assume it came under a little pressure. Looks like it was very cheap material indeed......  Overall you get what you pay for with Leica, you get less with cheap copies....... Shame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 16, 2012 Posted April 16, 2012 Hi IWC Doppel, Take a look here Leica 12504 hood. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
algrove Posted April 16, 2012 Share #22 Â Posted April 16, 2012 I probably paid too much from Popflash, but figured if it was new Leica stock it would work and it does. But now looking at KEH, I probably should have tried them first as they are first rate organization and will take returns for a few weeks if not to your liking. Â It's all Overgaard's fault anyway since his writing convinced me to look for one in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymc226 Posted April 16, 2012 Share #23 Â Posted April 16, 2012 I've seen the difference in width of the hood on Overgaard's site regarding the 35 Summicron between the 12504 and the 12585. However, it seems they both fit the Summicron but the 12585 can be bought used in fairly good condition at less than half the price. Though the 12585 doesn't list 35 1:2 on its engravings, the 12585H which I believe is identical, does. Â Would the reasons to choose the more expensive 12504 as to be more "period" correct or does it cause less vignetting as well as being available new? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted April 16, 2012 Share #24  Posted April 16, 2012 I've seen the difference in width of the hood on Overgaard's site regarding the 35 Summicron between the 12504 and the 12585. However, it seems they both fit the Summicron but the 12585 can be bought used in fairly good condition at less than half the price. Though the 12585 doesn't list 35 1:2 on its engravings, the 12585H which I believe is identical, does. Would the reasons to choose the more expensive 12504 as to be more "period" correct or does it cause less vignetting as well as being available new?  I bought mine to celebrate US tax day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymc226 Posted April 16, 2012 Share #25 Â Posted April 16, 2012 I bought mine to celebrate US tax day. Â That is the CORRECT answer :D:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share #26  Posted April 17, 2012 I've seen the difference in width of the hood on Overgaard's site regarding the 35 Summicron between the 12504 and the 12585. However, it seems they both fit the Summicron but the 12585 can be bought used in fairly good condition at less than half the price. Though the 12585 doesn't list 35 1:2 on its engravings, the 12585H which I believe is identical, does. Would the reasons to choose the more expensive 12504 as to be more "period" correct or does it cause less vignetting as well as being available new?  The 12585 noticably Vignettes more on the M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 17, 2012 Share #27 Â Posted April 17, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) The 12585 noticably Vignettes more on the M9. You mean on the current 35/2? Would you have any link about that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted April 17, 2012 Share #28  Posted April 17, 2012 I am trying to locate one of these, anyone tried the clip on copies, not cheap considering at £50 on ebay. I can find 12585's secondhand but not a 12504, any advice as to where to look ?  Many Thanks  I wrote of this earlier. I have a Chinese copy of the 12504 hood. It did not clip securely to the lens because one slit from which the tabs extend is too short. The tab does not fully extend. I took the thinnest Dremel cutting wheel, wore it down small, and just touched the ends of the short slit and it works now just like a new one. As Lars has suggested, an tiny, tiny dab of petroleum jelly (Vaseline) on the threads of the filter holder will keep it free, and not loose. Use a toothpick to apply. You need not cover all the threads because the Vaseline will distribute itself adequately when you screw in the shade.  Considering how very inexpensive the copies are, one could get three or four of them and mount your favorite filters in each and swap the whole hood w/filter when needed.  EDIT - I just checked the source of the copy on the big auction site and they are more expensive now. $78US or so. And I am concerned that the photos appear to have been manipulated to obscure the tabs. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilhelmR Posted April 17, 2012 Share #29  Posted April 17, 2012 Last week I got 2 screw in hoods from a chinese ebay seller for my Summarits 35 and 50mm (look for: Metal Tilted Vented Lens Hood shade for Leica M). They are perfect in color and the lenses look very nice with the hoods. Just tried it out with a ND filter + hood - no vignetting. The price: 9€ for both. As the way from China to Germany is very long, it took 3 weeks to get them.  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J12 Posted April 17, 2012 Share #30 Â Posted April 17, 2012 Can I ask how much you paid ? Â It was about $300 (US) for the new Leica 12504 hood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubice Posted April 17, 2012 Share #31 Â Posted April 17, 2012 The 12585 noticably Vignettes more on the M9. Â You mean on the current 35/2? Would you have any link about that? Â Yes, I would like to see some proof of this too.... I have been using the 12585 on 35mm lenses and M4/M6/M7 for years and have not had any vignetting at all..... I don't see how the M9 would be different from those. Â Cheers, Â Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymc226 Posted April 17, 2012 Share #32 Â Posted April 17, 2012 You mean on the current 35/2? Would you have any link about that? Â I looked on Popflash and for the most current 35/2 ASPH there is a specific hood, the 12452. LEICA BLACK PAINT METAL ROUND LENS HOOD #12452 USA NEW! DESIGNED FOR LEICA 35MM ASPH. LENSES! Â Just for kicks, I put on an old IROOA that I use for my 35/2.8 Summaron on my 28 Elmarit ASPH and it does fit solidly (could not pull it off). I'll try to take a few shots at 2.8 to see if it vignettes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted April 17, 2012 Share #33 Â Posted April 17, 2012 Topic drift. The subject is the Leica 12504 hood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted April 17, 2012 Share #34  Posted April 17, 2012 Yes, I would like to see some proof of this too.... I have been using the 12585 on 35mm lenses and M4/M6/M7 for years and have not had any vignetting at all..... I don't see how the M9 would be different from those. ...   When I read that the 12585 vignettes with a 35mm Summicron,I was sure it doesn't, so I tried (with a version IV -pre.asph.- 35mm Summicron at f/:2, manually properly coded on the M9):  With 12585:  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!     Without hood:   You should look at the upper corners to see that the hood really vignettes, the shadow in the lower right was my fault taking the pic quick and dirty.  P.S.: Pico is right: The topic is 12504 - and now I learn that Leica didn't just change the number for this hood out of boredom for 12585, but had a reason for the new hood. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!     Without hood:   You should look at the upper corners to see that the hood really vignettes, the shadow in the lower right was my fault taking the pic quick and dirty.  P.S.: Pico is right: The topic is 12504 - and now I learn that Leica didn't just change the number for this hood out of boredom for 12585, but had a reason for the new hood. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/173174-leica-12504-hood/?do=findComment&comment=1986258'>More sharing options...
doubice Posted April 17, 2012 Share #35 Â Posted April 17, 2012 Thanks for that. Actually, a correct way to check for vignetting would be with the lens closed down to at least f:8, preferably to f:16. If there is any vignetting caused by a lens shade, it will show at those apertures. Â Best, Â Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubice Posted April 17, 2012 Share #36 Â Posted April 17, 2012 ........The topic is 12504 - and now I learn that Leica didn't just change the number for this hood out of boredom for 12585, but had a reason for the new hood. Â Yes, the topic is the 12504 and its ridiculous pricing / availablity. That is probably why the other hood options popped up..... Â As to why Leitz (at the time) changed the design and the number of the hood from 12585 to 12504 was not vignetting.... The 12504 hood was introduced with the second version of the 35mm Summilux, many and many years ago - in 1967. At that time the 12585 was still available (and remained available for many years), engraved for all E-39 35mm and 50mm lenses. Since the 12504 also fit the 35mm Summicron, it was engraved for that lens as well as for the 35mm Summilux. Â The other reason was the ability of the 12504 to accept Series VII filters - Leica R users had plenty of these and via the 12504 were able to use them on their 35mm Leica M lenses. As I mentioned above, my use of the 12585 with Summicron 35mm versions 2, 3 and lately version 4, go back many years and not once have I noticed any vignetting. Unless the slide mounts cut it off, though I doubt that. Â Cheers, Â Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted April 17, 2012 Share #37 Â Posted April 17, 2012 Does the 12585 split like the 12504 does? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted April 17, 2012 Share #38 Â Posted April 17, 2012 12504 here: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.de/index.php/Gegenlichtblenden#12504_.281967.29 Â and 12585: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.de/index.php/Gegenlichtblenden#12585_.281963.29 Â It doesn't look like it, but the viewfinder coverage of the 12585 is only a small line; I think it's the same with 12504 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 17, 2012 Share #39 Â Posted April 17, 2012 Does the 12585 split like the 12504 does? It doesn't but its Chinese replacement does. Metal hood f. Leica Leitz 12585H summilux summicron 35mm 50mm | eBay The latter is advertised with a pre-asph Summilux 35 on which it must vignette a lot i bet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 17, 2012 Share #40 Â Posted April 17, 2012 I looked on Popflash and for the most current 35/2 ASPH there is a specific hood, the 12452... It is the black paint hood for the 35/2 asph Millenium # 11611 IINW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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