lct Posted April 29, 2011 Share #41 Posted April 29, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes C1 pro according to the OP. Here C1 v4, maximum overexposure (+2.5), default settings. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/150130-leica-m9-problem-with-stripes-or-banding-across-my-images-please-help/?do=findComment&comment=1659003'>More sharing options...
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Wowmeta Posted April 29, 2011 Share #42 Posted April 29, 2011 Hello! Same Problems here, horizontal Stripes in "higher" ISO (400 and more...). I can not reproduce 100% this Problem, contacted Leica CS - their call my next Week back. Pictures are not underexposured, the most stripes i get in dark Pictures. The Stripes mostly in upper left and right Corner. I will reporting Answer from Leica. Sorry for my English bye Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/150130-leica-m9-problem-with-stripes-or-banding-across-my-images-please-help/?do=findComment&comment=1659446'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 29, 2011 Share #43 Posted April 29, 2011 Whatever else, the example you posted appears vastly underexposed... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted April 29, 2011 Share #44 Posted April 29, 2011 Thanks for the DNG files. When I open them in Lightroom 3.4 something is definitely wrong. Had it been my files, I would know they weren't right. I'm not so much about the lines, it's just the whole behavior of the files. They're just wrong in so many ways. It's like they're splattered, as if a 1Mp sensor tried to be a 18MP. Reminds me of the type of files you would get from the Digilux 1 when shooting 400 ISO. It just can't handle it in som many ways. I've enclosed two 100% crops of your files where there's noise, as well as a bit of stripes in the office shot. But the way the shadow areas resolve ... is just not how it is with my files. The third file is from the same backstage location where yours is from (we were actually four Leica M9 cameras working in there ;-). The light there was kind of weird, like below 3200 Kelvin. But my files is 800 ISO and I just don't have any weird stuff going on in the shadow areas. I don't know what the problem is, but your files doesn't look like mine or other files I've had from other Leica M9 cameras. I would simply ask them to replace the whole camera. If you're a private Danish buyer you can cancel a buying ("hæve handelen" in Danish) if the seller fails to repair after two or three attempts. I guess you can even as a professional buyer. And then get another one. So I think Leica CS in Solms should just get on with replacing it. Whatever you got, it's not a Leica M9 camera. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/150130-leica-m9-problem-with-stripes-or-banding-across-my-images-please-help/?do=findComment&comment=1659492'>More sharing options...
Wowmeta Posted April 29, 2011 Share #45 Posted April 29, 2011 Whatever else, the example you posted appears vastly underexposed... Think you? Im a Beginner in Leica Photography.... This is the full Image without Corrections in LR.... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/150130-leica-m9-problem-with-stripes-or-banding-across-my-images-please-help/?do=findComment&comment=1659494'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 29, 2011 Share #46 Posted April 29, 2011 Even if the complete image is exposed correctly, that does not mean some shadows cannot be strongly underexposed. If you pull them up too much, especially at higher ISO, banding can occur. This is not specific for Leica, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wowmeta Posted April 29, 2011 Share #47 Posted April 29, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Even if the complete image is exposed correctly, that does not mean some shadows cannot be strongly underexposed. If you pull them up too much, especially at higher ISO, banding can occur. This is not specific for Leica, though. Thanks for Answer, i understand. My problem is: i can see the Stripes on my Monitor when i viewing the Image only (i think, the Image is simmilar A3 on the Screen) - i not viewing the crop only . Is this normally? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted April 29, 2011 Share #48 Posted April 29, 2011 Thanks for Answer, i understand.My problem is: i can see the Stripes on my Monitor when i viewing the Image only (i think, the Image is simmilar A3 on the Screen) - i not viewing the crop only . Is this normally? Don't know if I understand that right, but I can have noise or things on the screen that isn't in the exported hires file (or in a print). So the exported file is what to look at, not the preview on the screen. But if the crop above was from the exported file, there's stripes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wowmeta Posted April 29, 2011 Share #49 Posted April 29, 2011 Don't know if I understand that right, but I can have noise or things on the screen that isn't in the exported hires file (or in a print). So the exported file is what to look at, not the preview on the screen. But if the crop above was from the exported file, there's stripes. You understand it right. I can see "my" Stripes in the exported Picture when view this exported Picture on the Screen. I think, this is not ok. Noise or whatever is ok and normally for my - but the Stripes i have dont seen on any other digital Images from my other digital Cameras. Zoom in the Picture then i posted (Screenshot of LR) and you can see the Stripes (it is a very small jpeg!) :-) The stripes are horizontal in horizontal pictures and vertical in vertical pictures Im waiting for the answer from Solms.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted April 29, 2011 Share #50 Posted April 29, 2011 Now, I just went through a bunch of my low light photographies, and I don't have any stripes. The files provided from Thomas are definitely not normal. But the stripes isolated, could be a software issue with C1 or other softwares. I don't get them in LR 3.3 and 3.4. Next thing to find out: Does the stripes always go horizontal in horizontal pictures and vertical in vertical pictures? Does the lines stay the same place in the picture if you tilt the image 90 degrees in the C1 or Lightroom? Here's three 100% crops from 18MP DNG files compressed, all low-light 800 ISO shots, one with candle light (1/60), one with LED stage light 1/250(the worst) and the a really blurred handheld outside shot where I get some real annoying noise in the dark blue 1/25 sec (but no stripes). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/150130-leica-m9-problem-with-stripes-or-banding-across-my-images-please-help/?do=findComment&comment=1659528'>More sharing options...
Wowmeta Posted May 2, 2011 Share #51 Posted May 2, 2011 On Problem detected: when i using "preview" after the picture taken (so long i pressed the shutterrelease), then comming the stripes much more. Without the preview, no, or less stripes in the picture. Can anyone validating this please? Have a nice Day! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 2, 2011 Share #52 Posted May 2, 2011 If that is the case, there is most certainly something wrong with the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lua Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share #53 Posted May 2, 2011 On Problem detected: when i using "preview" after the picture taken (so long i pressed the shutterrelease), then comming the stripes much more. Without the preview, no, or less stripes in the picture. Can anyone validating this please? Have a nice Day! OK! Wowmeta! Thats sounds really strange but I'll give it a try and see if I can provoke the stripes this way. Thank you for the investigation:) /thomas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Verrips Posted May 3, 2011 Share #54 Posted May 3, 2011 man when I see photos like this, really discourages me from buying an m9... I am on the outlook for one... so far I got to worry about cracking sensors and now banding? I hear stuff like, noise adds character to the image? if you want clean plastic look go canon? Are you guys all blinded by the red logo and the fact that $7k camera does not produce the image quality that it should deliver? The whole POINT of shooting digital is to produce the cleanest and sharpest images possible. Any "grain" not NOISE should be an option to be added on top of the image after the shot is taken. As I hang around here more I am leaning more towards M10. Shots at ISO 160 should not produce these type of images. What is it that you are thinking about changing to Leica? I have shot Nikon for many years (both analog and digital) and on the Nikon forum a lot of people were complaining about almost anything you can imagine, on Canon forum the same...... Maybe i am not critical enough, but i have never met any problems with my Leica setup, same with my Nikon setup in the past. Please everyone, just go out and shoot with any camera, maybe a little PP and then print your favorite images and hang them on the wall. I felt in love with the results the digital Leica M produces, the more analog looks, i dont like the more plastic looks from other brands (but i did in the past). Yes it's an expensive camerabrand compared to other brands, but i think you can't influence love............ But.........i sm always glad that Leica is not everyones choice, it makes a Leica different, special, attractive and mythic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_lir Posted May 3, 2011 Share #55 Posted May 3, 2011 i had banding issues on one of my m9's. leica usa instructed me to buy a new card. i bought better cards, made the jump from transcend to sandisk 45/mbs sdhc, now i have a different sort of banding, vertical banding as well as the same "read error" banding. i've lost images that were to be published in rolling stone, i'm so far from happy right now. sucks. this isn't what i expect from a "professional" camera. time to send the m9 back to leica, again... fun stuff. i kid. this sucks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted May 3, 2011 Share #56 Posted May 3, 2011 Hi, can you elaborate on the banding that you are reporting from some cards? Is this a recent problem? Or something just showing up occasionally or in some circumstances? I read in an earlier post that you had shot I think 70,000 frames or similar with an M9 previously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wowmeta Posted May 5, 2011 Share #57 Posted May 5, 2011 Hello again! One possible solution (for me): i tested my 3 Sandisk (Ultra 8 and two 16 GB ultra) - all of these have the stripes. Now i get a Transcend 32 GB - hmmm - no more stripes, faster saving, no hangs, no zero Byte Pictures. In the next days take more testpictures to validate this. Today i make 100 Pictures with Sandisk (85% with stripes,M9 hangs 3 Times, 12 Zero Bytes Pictures on the Card) and 100 Pictures with the Transcend (no Problems, no Stripes, no hangs, no loss of Pictures). Solution is near.... Have a nice day! Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wowmeta Posted May 15, 2011 Share #58 Posted May 15, 2011 No Solutions, other SD-Card - other Stripes... I think if the M9 is longer power on, then more stripes (thermal Problem?). I call with Leica in Solms / Germany and take one hour travel to receive last Friday (13....) an other M9 (Swapping...) Lucky travel to home to see the next problem: - one line CCD fault.... Calling with Leica - they say - it is the Battery Take other two Batterys - naturally the same Problem. Now waiting an Monday on reaction from Leica - the premium manufacturer - but i like the M9 and the Rangefinder. No alternatives on the market for me..... I will report. Ah, the stripes on the replaced M9: they are still there, little bit les.... No i have M9 with horizontal "Banding" and vertical CCD Line failure Have a nice Day Peter Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/150130-leica-m9-problem-with-stripes-or-banding-across-my-images-please-help/?do=findComment&comment=1673389'>More sharing options...
lua Posted May 16, 2011 Author Share #59 Posted May 16, 2011 Hi Peter Well - I am sorry to hear this - mostly sorry, that it seems quality control in general at Leica in Solms is slipping. - or parts from suppliers simply do not live up to PRO specifications/ use and abuse. I have other examples of break down issues from friends who use M9´s - shutterfault, motherboard fault, total breakdown because of no weather sealing, Horizontal stripes..... I know that Stephan D is gathering all the information about these problems - now we can only wait that Leica change their supply and fix their "beta bugs" in this camera. I am not biased and can say this "I is simply not good enough, Leica" - what is the most ironic thing about all these issues. We stick to the product (or I do, at least) because it is so unique and perfect for picture making that no other camera type can replace it. It is the best ever camera build in my eyes. I am actually getting my swap M9 today from the factory. No word about how to solve the problems with stripes and I am told that I must expect that they can appear on this new sample on the way to me with UPS as well. Investigating are they? could be that they should cancel the summer vacation this year and hire extra engineers as well. And how about this Leica: - you are seriously moving into pro territory with the digital M's. We are no camera collectors that buy the new model every time to just put it on a shelve. We don't care about LCD scratches, viewfinder dust or other user scratches on the body - we care about a camera that works in all weather conditions for at least 1200 shots per day on reportage assignments. Multiply this and yes we will ship it on after two years and get the new model - but please aim at putting together a camera that don't need three service checks or swappings a year. I have Leica lenses that are 15 years old an work perfect every day - Copy/Paste this engineering to the camera department and we are in heaven:) Best from Denmark /thomas ps. Pro Service at Leica is outstanding though. Andrea Frankl is very sweet and service minded and I do feel sorry for her -that she has to deal with all this.......hope the engineers will buy her a coffee and a cake every friday:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted May 16, 2011 Share #60 Posted May 16, 2011 ... total breakdown because of no weather sealing... Thomas, you make good points. Could you be more specific about this one? I don't think I've seen one report on the forum of a breakdown due to lack of weather sealing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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