andybarton Posted September 21, 2012 Share #421 Posted September 21, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) That must depend on what scene you take a picture of, surely! Well, if you are down a mine and using f16, then things could get more difficult. Obviously, I tried this in a reasonably well lit exhibition hall at Photokina where they were demonstrating the R-lens adaptor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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k-hawinkler Posted September 21, 2012 Share #422 Posted September 21, 2012 Well, if you are down a mine and using f16, then things could get more difficult. Obviously, I tried this in a reasonably well lit exhibition hall at Photokina where they were demonstrating the R-lens adaptor. Hi Andy, Thanks. That wasn't my point though. I assumed good light levels. My experience with focus peaking on NEX-5N and NEX-7 is that certain places, including landscapes and nature, wild life shots are not very contrasty. Focus peaking keys of that. So, in that case you are dependent on RF or magnification. That's all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted September 21, 2012 Share #423 Posted September 21, 2012 Andy, how responsive is the EVF? Any odd effects with moving subjects? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 21, 2012 Share #424 Posted September 21, 2012 I would think that you'd be more discerning than me. It's not an R8 viewfinder, that's for sure, but it was fine for what I was looking at in the Hall. Bear in mind we couldn't play with this kit for very long or with a variety of lenses. You'll need to judge for yourself, but for the kind of thing I do, I'm sure it would be fine. Certainly it was infinitely better than a Digilux 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
psquared Posted September 21, 2012 Share #425 Posted September 21, 2012 How about the shutter lag with the EVF? I'm not happy at all with the shutter lag on Canon 5D Mark II using live view. In this case the mirror is not the problem, because it's already up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gidion27 Posted September 22, 2012 Share #426 Posted September 22, 2012 I am trying to get excited about the new "solution" but in the end I fail to see the hype. As posted by others we already could use the R lenses on a NEX or GXR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 22, 2012 Share #427 Posted September 22, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) As posted by others we already could use the R lenses on a NEX or GXR. Neither of which have a FF sensor. But if that doesn’t matter to you, there is no reason to consider the new M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted September 23, 2012 Share #428 Posted September 23, 2012 I am trying to get excited about the new "solution" but in the end I fail to see the hype. As posted by others we already could use the R lenses on a NEX or GXR. First of all, it's a Leica. Second you have the versatility of using both M and R lenses, like me I have both. As for the others, the NEX and the GXR are to small to grip big and heavy lenses plus the crop factor. Personally if you don't want to use a Leica, the best option for R lenses is the Canon DSLR as you don't need to change the mount just a adapter will do, I have been using the 600D with great results. The new Canon 6D FF is looking very interesting, but of course looking forward to the Leica M-R. The 35 mm FF is coming back in force. Ken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted September 23, 2012 Share #429 Posted September 23, 2012 I am trying to get excited about the new "solution" but in the end I fail to see the hype. I was feeling excited for a couple of days. Like a castaway on a desert island would feel excited about a rescue boat appearing on the horizon. Only to find that it was full of refugees from a world that had fallen into a new dark age. Excitement has been replaced with a selfish longing, a sense of loss. Grief, perhaps. It comes from realising again that the hope of putting my eye to a beautiful optical viewfinder, to look through my wonderful R lenses and to capture images with a sensor that they deserve, has passed away. The offered resurrection is an acceptable yet hollow facsimile, that looks attractive to those starved of real beauty. A meal eaten without taste buds. It will fill the belly and sustain life, but the joy is lost. Acceptable food in a famine. My choice to buy into Leica came from the magical and emotional experience of looking through the viewfinder of the first R8 to land in my country. Emotional? Yes. It reminded me with startling clarity of being taught how to use my father's precious SLR so many years ago. But it was better, much much better. "I can have this? I can have this." And magical? Yes. Photography is magical. Looking through the viewfinder of a special camera takes you into a parallel world. It makes people smile with childlike fascination. And the images are magic. So I'm not excited anymore. I'm warily curious, in a cool, clinical way. Waiting for the M doesn't feel good, like waiting for my R8 and lenses did. It feels like psyching myself up to lower my expectations so I can start using something I know isn't as good as it could be. Leica have done well from tapping into the emotion of photography. People here will understand this. A few years ago all hands at Leica were ordered to the pumps, to clear out the debt and shore up the ship with profitability. The beautiful thing that was the R system was thrown overboard to lighten the load. That Leica have reached safe harbour is admirable and it means that the story can continue, along with retrospection about how they threw something so good, away. Some Leica magic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted September 23, 2012 Share #430 Posted September 23, 2012 Rick, I totally agree with you about the R8. It is a magic body, both to hold and behold. I too am cautious, but pleased about the option of the new 'M' to take both my suites of lenses, R & M. But nothing will equal the finder of the R8. I may still just stay with film for my R series lenses. Time will tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gidion27 Posted September 23, 2012 Share #431 Posted September 23, 2012 Rick you are spot on. It seems that all have forgotten what a real SLR, like the R8/9, feels like. I actually moved back to a R8 set up for the sheer joy of the viewfinder and the construction. Was hoping and praying for way to long for a R10 but in the end love my R8 no matter what. funning that the prices for used R eqiupement are going up:) Sure they will be down again in 2 months time when everybody realises that the new Leica M was made for M glass and not R glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 23, 2012 Share #432 Posted September 23, 2012 Many Leica users will be happy to use their R lenses on a Leica full-frame digital body at last so i don't expect R lens prices to drop in any way for the foreseeable future. Rather the contrary i would say but YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 23, 2012 Share #433 Posted September 23, 2012 Neither of which have a FF sensor. But if that doesn’t matter to you, there is no reason to consider the new M. A full frame sensor is not really relevant for long focal lengths, as long as the sensor quality is there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted September 23, 2012 Share #434 Posted September 23, 2012 I know how you feel Rick. Oh yes could you please rephrase some Leica magic to read, Some Leica R magic. Lovely shots, well done. Before I pass judgement on the Leica M, I will try it with some of my R lenses To see how good this EVF is otherwise if it doesn't meet my approval it's back with Canon. Ken. Ps......Have you seen John Dooley Demonstrating the Leica M on U-Tube. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted September 23, 2012 Share #435 Posted September 23, 2012 Ps......Have you seen John Dooley Demonstrating the Leica M on U-Tube. I have now. Thanks! That's cheered me up a bit. I'd like to see some video showing what it's like to look through the external view finder. I'd like to see some viewfinder latency measurements. Has anyone here used an EVF of this kind? Would the EVF for the D-Lux 5 be comparable? I could take my wife's D-Lux to a camera shop and try one. I'd like to see some live-view shutter-lag latency measurements. Though I guess the delay in waiting for the shutter to close so an image can be captured with an open/close cycle is about the same or less than waiting for the mirror of an R8/9 to flip up. Quieter too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted September 23, 2012 Share #436 Posted September 23, 2012 I'd describe my emotions toward this solution as guarded optimism. I'm not wildly enthusiastic because the add-on viewfinder looks vulnerable to damage or loss, and the viewfinder lag and shutter lag at this point are unknowns. Wait and see w.r.t. image quality and the viewfinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted September 24, 2012 Share #437 Posted September 24, 2012 I've been thinking about what I'll need for nature photography, given the EVF's blocking of the flash shoe. - an M body - an EVF - a baseplate, the one with all the connectors, so I can then use - a flash bracket, so I can run an SC-17 cable up to my flash. That's four things to do what a single R10 would do. Eek! How I'm doing it with my R8 And it won't have a cable release! Well, not an electronic one. Does the M shutter button take a mechanical cable release? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted September 24, 2012 Share #438 Posted September 24, 2012 Rick, my limited knowledge of the state of play (in all directions) would suggest you stay as you are, if you are content to stick with film and thus keep your R8 in service. Or, consider replacing the R8 body with a Nex7 body. The only thing you would/may miss is FF. That would work with your current (comprehensive!) rig. Quite possibly I have missed something of course! Like the 'lust' for the 'M'. (Me too) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 24, 2012 Share #439 Posted September 24, 2012 I have now. Thanks! That's cheered me up a bit. I'd like to see some video showing what it's like to look through the external view finder. I'd like to see some viewfinder latency measurements. Has anyone here used an EVF of this kind? Would the EVF for the D-Lux 5 be comparable? I could take my wife's D-Lux to a camera shop and try one. I'd like to see some live-view shutter-lag latency measurements. Though I guess the delay in waiting for the shutter to close so an image can be captured with an open/close cycle is about the same or less than waiting for the mirror of an R8/9 to flip up. Quieter too. Yes I have it in the Olympus version, and X2 users will have been using it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted September 24, 2012 Share #440 Posted September 24, 2012 Rick - I have ithe panasonic labeled version of the EVF for the D-Lux on my D-Lux-5, generally like it, and have found it to be rather resistant to damage. The diopter adjustment is a bit too easy to accidentally change (also the case with the various versions and parents of the V Lux series), and there is very little latency -- what latency I see I only see when panning. I suspect the EVF for the M, will be better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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