lct Posted February 25, 2011 Share #161 Posted February 25, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Giving up is not an option for some people. Nobody's perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 Hi lct, Take a look here The R solution - more details. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
wildlightphoto Posted February 25, 2011 Share #162 Posted February 25, 2011 There comes a point in life where you can either become bitter about something, or shrug your shoulders and move on. Life, as they say, is too short. I believe there are choices other than either becoming bitter or shrugging one's shoulders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted February 26, 2011 Share #163 Posted February 26, 2011 Steve and Doug You are both quite right....I felt let down and madly disappointed that there was to be no R10. But then I came to my senses and moved on and have never regretted that decision. I miss some of my old Leica glass, probably in truth only the R100 macro. As far as camera bodies go my replacement full frame DSLR has not missed a beat in over two years and I have since added a second body, six lenses (most are Zeiss) all with change to spare from the proceeds of my Leica kit sale. There is life after the Leica R system after all! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted February 26, 2011 Share #164 Posted February 26, 2011 I thought that this was the official 'R' solution? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 26, 2011 Share #165 Posted February 26, 2011 ...As far as camera bodies go my replacement full frame DSLR has not missed a beat in over two years and I have since added a second body, six lenses (most are Zeiss) all with change to spare from the proceeds of my Leica kit sale... Still resisting to do this but i am much tempted by Zeiss lenses as well, mainly 28/2, 50/2 and 100/2. They seem to be significantly bulkier than their Leica counterparts though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 26, 2011 Share #166 Posted February 26, 2011 I thought that this was the official 'R' solution? For those wanting auto aperture the only actual solution is to buy Zeiss or other non Leica lenses i'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns_ng Posted February 26, 2011 Share #167 Posted February 26, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) There comes a point in life where you can either become bitter about something, or shrug your shoulders and move on. Life, as they say, is too short. The R solutions are well documented and it is up to each individual to adopt the one that suits his or her needs. The world does not end if there is no ff R solution from Leica. No point in mulling on this issue or else you will end up like this guy, N.S. Ng Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/142032-the-r-solution-more-details/?do=findComment&comment=1600335'>More sharing options...
masjah Posted February 26, 2011 Share #168 Posted February 26, 2011 The R solutions are well documented and it is up to each individual to adopt the one that suits his or her needs. The world does not end if there is no ff R solution from Leica. No point in mulling on this issue or else you will end up like this guy, N.S. Ng The problem is that, for various different reasons, none of them meet my needs in a satisfactory manner, so I stick with film, and continue to mull on this issue. I'm not aware that I'm ending up like the animal in your picture though; I don't entirely understand the imagery of your image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapp Posted March 1, 2011 Share #169 Posted March 1, 2011 In that case it would have to use the M mount or at least something compatible. That would introduce too many limitations for a potentially extremely flexible and versatile camera. It would be better to use a shorter flange distance and an adapter to provide for M compatibility. Not at all. A short flange distance doesn’t imply a short distance between lens and sensor or between exit pupil and sensor. A short flange distance isn’t limiting at all, only a long flange distance is. The DSLR solution for R lenses is called Canon 5D. With Leitax you can also opt for any otehr fullframe DSLR camera. The Leica solution for R lenses is an M camera with electronic viewfinder or something similar. No need to change from M to any other mount. You can physically fit R lenses to M cameras, focusing is the only real problem - that is what you can use an EVF for. The current M9 sensor is not suitable to be upgraded for EVF, so it may take some time before such a solution is ready for the market. The only additional thing may be a larger body to support tele and zoom lenses. Optical rangefinders will disappear as well as reflex cameras. It would be suicide for Leica t invest in anything, but EVF systems - their cameras are much closer to the optimum system than most other systems. The S2 may be one of the last if not the last reflex camera in the Leica system. Don't start telling about the abvanatges of rangefinder cameras over everythign else in the world, 35 mm film is about to disappear from the mass market, screw mount lenses are gone, ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 1, 2011 Share #170 Posted March 1, 2011 ...Don't start telling about the abvanatges of rangefinder cameras over everythign else in the world, 35 mm film is about to disappear from the mass market, screw mount lenses are gone, ... What's the link between film and rangefinder? For some people, a good RF is still the best way to focus a camera over anything else analogue or digital. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted March 1, 2011 Share #171 Posted March 1, 2011 ... Optical rangefinders will disappear as well as reflex cameras. It would be suicide for Leica t invest in anything, but EVF systems ... (Zapp, this is not aimed at you; you just happened to be the member to voice the opinion here.) Why is it that people assume that as soon as The Next Big [Technology] iThing arrives that everybody will immediately adopt it and throw The Former Thing into the nearest rubbish receptacle and never look back? If that was so, then for example, there would be no stereo turntables owing to cassettes/8-track/DAT/CDs/MP3s, all watches would be radio corrected, torches with bulbs would no longer exist, cars with mechanical ignition etc would have disappeared, cats wouldn't hate tennis players, and you wouldn't be able to buy leather shoes. But you can. Not everyone wants to wear synthetic footwear or forsake the quality offered by vinyl for the convenience offered by compressed MP3, which is why it would be foolhardy to assume that in the foreseeable future non-EVF cameras will disappear. Love it or hate it, Fuji Velvia film is a prime example of an obsolete technology being reintroduced owing to consumer lobbying. I still occasionally use my IIIf that has separate rangefinder and viewfinder systems and I can't help but think that in 1954 or shortly thereafter someone voiced a similar opinion that cameras without a combined rangefinder and viewfinder would "disappear". Well, they haven't. Let's not sound the death-knell too early. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted March 1, 2011 Share #172 Posted March 1, 2011 The DSLR solution for R lenses is called Canon 5D. ... yuck... have you compared the 5D's files with the DMR's? I know among Canon users the 5D is one of the best things that ever happened to photography but compare it with the DMR and its weaknesses soon become obvious. Add clumsy stop-down metering and stop-down focussing on an AF viewscreen and the 5D as an R solution is crude at best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 1, 2011 Share #173 Posted March 1, 2011 I have never used the DMR so far but the results i'm getting with 5D1 and Leica lenses are my favorite afaik. 5D2 is another story, at least to me. Of course auto aperture is a no no with those cams so calling 5D the "R solution " is kind of a joke from this viewpoint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 1, 2011 Share #174 Posted March 1, 2011 I have never used the DMR You should - or maybe you shouldn't. It would be the end of the 5D for you I fear... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 1, 2011 Share #175 Posted March 1, 2011 Well i don't like big crop cams my friend and i'm not blind fortunately. What i've seen from the DMR sounds very good really but my little piccies are not that crappy either. Ignorance is bliss perhaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted March 1, 2011 Share #176 Posted March 1, 2011 Ignorance is bliss perhaps. Yup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 1, 2011 Share #177 Posted March 1, 2011 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Would be interesting to see comparos between the marvelous DMR and the crappy Canon BTW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted March 1, 2011 Share #178 Posted March 1, 2011 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Yes it is. Many people are very happy with their Canon equipment, as I was with my Nikon equipment until the first roll of film with a Leica. Here are some comments from people who owned and used both the 5D and the DMR: http://leica-users.org/v35/msg03641.html http://leica-users.org/v35/msg03691.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 1, 2011 Share #179 Posted March 1, 2011 None of them having used a Leica lens on the 5D if i understand well. Funny that an old Leica user like me can find the Canon better than his Ms and Rs with Leica lenses. Difficult to compare film to digital though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted March 1, 2011 Share #180 Posted March 1, 2011 None of them having used a Leica lens on the 5D if i understand well. Incorrect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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