willeica Posted August 24, 2021 Share #121 Posted August 24, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 40 minutes ago, andybarton said: Welcome to the forum. Sorry to be the bringer of bad news, but that looks very much like a Russian copy to me and not a real Leica. If it works, it will still take good photographs though and you will always be able to put a real Leica lens on it, and that’s the bit that counts. I concur. It might need a service, but the basic design is one that can be easily repaired and maintained. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted August 25, 2021 Share #122 Posted August 25, 2021 I would stick to Russian lenses on the Russian bodies. The focusing system is fundamentally different from Leica. Russian lenses use a curved RF cam, the camera uses a tongue cam follower and the helicoid focus pitch is Zeiss. Leica uses a flat RF cam on the lens and a roller cam follower and their own helicoid pitch which is different to Zeiss. Zeiss assisted the Soviet Union technically with development of their nascent lens industry in the 1920's, so naturally their lenses opted for the Zeiss helicoid pitch when it came to making their first RF coupled lenses in the 1930's. As long as the rangefinder in the camera is made to suit, it can work as well as the Leica system. The component accuracy necessary for accurate range finding is possibly not as consistent in the Russian cameras. My own experience is that the Ukrainian FED's are slightly better in this aspect than the Russian Zorkis. You can of course mount Leica lenses on Russian cameras and vice versa but at full aperture the focusing will be a bit hit and miss and not consistent throughout the whole range. Some of the modern Russian lenses, such as the 50mm/f1.5 New Jupiter sold by Lomography, have had their RF cam ground to Leica standard. Wilson 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted August 26, 2021 Share #123 Posted August 26, 2021 (edited) On 8/24/2021 at 5:02 PM, tkipp said: Hello together, i´m totally new here, and i hope im right under histrica theme, as i´ve get the Camera you can see on photos and some more from my grandpa. Until now, i only use for some photos on work a new Canon Eos, but never had a Leica. As my Grandpa is gone, i have no informations for the camera, is there anybody out there who can help me and give me some informations. Thank you in advance regards Tobias Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This one looks like a Zorki, made at the KMZ factory near Moscow in the 1950s, probably the version that collectors now call the Zorki-1(D), or a similar model. It would have started out as an 'honest copy' of the Leica with a chrome finish and Zorki engravings. Large numbers of similar cameras modeled after the Leica II were made in the FED and Zorki factories in the USSR with little regard for capitalist patents, but not originally pretending to be anything other than Soviet cameras. Someone has presumably stripped the original chrome finish down to the brass underneath, ground off the original engravings, and added fake 'Leica' engravings and the 'reptile skin' covering. The lens will be a Russian Industar that has been similarly treated. The camera is intended to look something like one of the rare and expensive Leica 'Luxus' models, which were gold-plated and covered in lizard skin. Think of it as a historical curiosity, of no great value in this condition, though some people do collect them. It tells an interesting story of the changing relationship between Russia and the West, starting out as a mass-produced Leica substitute in the Soviet period, then being re-purposed, perhaps decades later, as something that could be passed off as a luxury version of the Leica itself by 'entrepreneurs' with new access to Western markets. Edited August 26, 2021 by Anbaric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkipp Posted August 26, 2021 Share #124 Posted August 26, 2021 Hello together, thank you for your kind attention and help. As i told you before, i have no experience with that typ of cameras and i herad first time here about russian zorki cameras. Than i think, also the other cameras are no original Leica´s i have get from my grandfather. I hope it is not to much requested, if i take some photos, to show you the other 2 or 3 "Leica´s" or Zorki. Thanks in advance for your help and expertice Tobias Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted August 26, 2021 Share #125 Posted August 26, 2021 Someone will be happy to let you know if any of your others look real (you might want to start a new thread to get a quick identification). There are also some useful guides that explain some of the things to look out for, e.g.: http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/index-213.html 99% of brass-finish 'Leicas' will be fake (especially if they also have supposed military markings), but it's always best to look for specific features just in case. If you have a suspected fake, you can use sites like this to find out which Soviet model might be underneath (look at the FED and Zorki pages): http://www.sovietcams.com/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted October 11, 2022 Share #126 Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) Has there ever been a Leica dedicated to Guiseppe Garibaldi? Or to Anita Garibaldi? Edited October 11, 2022 by jankap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 12, 2022 Share #127 Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 18 hours ago, jankap said: Has there ever been a Leica dedicated to Guiseppe Garibaldi? Or to Anita Garibaldi? I think not... Garibaldi, obviously, was photographated only with large format plates...😁 and passed away when Barnack was 3 years old... (Jan... why this interest towards one of the fathers of my Country ? 😉) Edited October 12, 2022 by luigi bertolotti 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted October 12, 2022 Share #128 Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, luigi bertolotti said: I think not... Garibaldi, obviously, was photographated only with large format plates...😁 and passed away when Barnack was 3 years old... (Jan... why this interest towards one of the fathers of my Country ? 😉) We were there in spring. With a flower bouquet. https://www.garibaldigesellschaftdeutschland.de/ANITA-GARIBALDI Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited October 12, 2022 by jankap 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/139760-leica-historica/?do=findComment&comment=4531009'>More sharing options...
jankap Posted October 12, 2022 Share #129 Posted October 12, 2022 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This gentleman (employee of the museum) answered our questions. 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This gentleman (employee of the museum) answered our questions. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/139760-leica-historica/?do=findComment&comment=4531056'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 12, 2022 Share #130 Posted October 12, 2022 In Caprera - Sardinia, I think... I am always surprised by how much the name of Garibaldi is well recognized all over the world : besides the "garibaldigesellschaft" you kindly linked, one can find https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Garibaldi https://monumentaustralia.org.au/themes/people/foreigners/display/70901-giuseppe-garibaldi ),,, on our side.. I think that is probably impossible to find a town in Italy without a street named after him, 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted October 12, 2022 Share #131 Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) Anita Garibaldi died of malaria near Ravenna, we visited a small museum in Mandriole. That is - for me - the most important place. Garibaldis were escaping from the Austrian army. Many years after her death her body was transported to several places, also in Nizza (then France!). Garibaldi was born in Nizza/Nice. Much later she was of value for the political activities of Benito M.. We better forget that. Edited October 12, 2022 by jankap 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted October 12, 2022 Share #132 Posted October 12, 2022 In the UK, Garibaldi is commemorated in the form of a still popular biscuit: https://www.countrylife.co.uk/food-drink/curious-question-how-did-one-of-the-worlds-great-biscuits-get-named-after-a-man-named-garibaldi-217658 Best not to mention we have another named after his enemies, the Bourbons... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted October 12, 2022 Share #133 Posted October 12, 2022 You mean the Bourbons of the Kingdom of the Both Sicilies? I was in Naples and visited a family, who showed their house to tourists. By the way inside the danger zone of the Vesuv. They called Garibaldi a criminal. I can understand that, after 30 years East-Germany is not as wealthy as West-Germany still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted October 12, 2022 Share #134 Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, jankap said: You mean the Bourbons of the Kingdom of the Both Sicilies? Yes, though in this case the makers probably just picked a name they thought sounded sophisticated and aristocratic (the Bourbons had also ruled in France and Spain) - they probably weren't setting up a 'battle of the biscuits' with their other product! Edited October 12, 2022 by Anbaric 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted October 12, 2022 Share #135 Posted October 12, 2022 When I used to commute to London Bridge Station in the late 1970's, there was still a Peek Freans biscuit bakery in Peckham that the train ran alongside. As you went past, you could smell which biscuits were baking that day, particularly when they were making one of my favourites - Cheeslets. Sadly these are now only available along with Twiglets (Marmite coated crunchy savoury sticks) at Christmas time. Wilson 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 12, 2022 Share #136 Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, jankap said: You mean the Bourbons of the Kingdom of the Both Sicilies? I was in Naples and visited a family, who showed their house to tourists. By the way inside the danger zone of the Vesuv. They called Garibaldi a criminal. I can understand that, after 30 years East-Germany is not as wealthy as West-Germany still. The real criminals, in that historical context, were indeed the Savoias, who acted in terms of "return on investment" towards the southern Italy gained to their kingdom , treating it as a sort of colony (*) for years, depriving those territories of an economy that, after all, Bourbons (with the aid of England, too) had decently built... many of the issues that South Italy still suffers in comparision with the rest of Italy are still a longterm consequence from that era... (*) (with Garibaldi as a sort of "mercenary general") (good book on the matter... https://www.imgpress.it/culture/74496/ ) Edited October 12, 2022 by luigi bertolotti 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmans Posted February 17, 2023 Share #137 Posted February 17, 2023 I have a Russian lens on a Model 11 I recently picked up. It came with it....I saw some of the photo's ahead of time and liked the look but will see after a few rolls if the Russian lens works well or not. Should be a good experiment.... Either way, the photos should turn out unique and really, as I always say .... (or Cartier stated I should say)...'sharpness is a bourgeois concept' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 17, 2023 Share #138 Posted February 17, 2023 3 hours ago, lmans said: I have a Russian lens on a Model 11 I recently picked up. It came with it....I saw some of the photo's ahead of time and liked the look but will see after a few rolls if the Russian lens works well or not. Should be a good experiment.... Either way, the photos should turn out unique and really, as I always say .... (or Cartier stated I should say)...'sharpness is a bourgeois concept' If you get bored with out of focus photos but cannot stretch to a Leica lens, which will focus properly on your Model II body, a good alternative is one of the Japanese rangefinder lenses. These use the same roller and flat cam focusing system of Leica lenses (as against the tongue and curved cam of the Soviet lenses), from the likes of Canon, Nicca/Nikon, Hexar, Topcon and many others. Many of these lenses are derived from Zeiss designs, mainly the Sonnar and Planar types and some, especially from Canon and Nicca/Nikon are at least equal to the Leica lenses of the period. The 5cm/f1.8 "Hiroshi" Canon Serenar lens was known in period as the Japanese Summicron. I have both it and the contemporaneous 50mm Summicron and I would say the Serenar is actually slightly sharper in the centre of the image than the Summicron but has more field curvature and coma (spherical aberration) in the corners. The Summicron cost me 8 times what I paid for the Serenar. The only thing to watch for in the Serenar is fogging on the rear elements, due to Japan's humid climate. The all chrome earlier versions of this lens, with infinity lock, suffer less from this than the later black barrel versions. This applies to most old lenses which have spent their life in Japan. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmans Posted February 17, 2023 Share #139 Posted February 17, 2023 I am not bored yet as I haven't developed a roll of film from my Model 11 + Russian lens. I bought the camera from someone and it came with it. I was a bit encouraged when I saw a You Tuber (I think it was Matt Osborne or perhaps Zenography?) that stated they preferred the Russian lens over the Leica... Of You Tubers, I enjoy both of them. Will let you know my thoughts when I develop a roll but it won't be for a month or two when I return from a trip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrogallol Posted February 18, 2023 Share #140 Posted February 18, 2023 West Yorkshire Cameras have a Canon lens at the moment.https://wycameras.com/collections/latest-stock/products/ltm-canon-50mm-f-1-8-chrome-exc-1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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