luigi bertolotti Posted May 2, 2010 Share #21 Posted May 2, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) i don't understand why the s2 is over £20k body only and the m9 is only £5k the m9 is actually pretty good value for money considering it's built like a tank etc Clearly M9 is grossly underpriced.... , the reason for I haven't yet bought one... I hate "el-cheapo" cameras... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hamey Posted May 2, 2010 Share #22 Posted May 2, 2010 Sometime ago Leica realised the deficiencies of the M system so they they developed the superior R system. Super wide angle lenses like the 15mm super Elmarit, 19mm 24mm 28mm 28mm pc-super angulon 35mm 50mm 60mm 80mm 90mm 100mm APO macro -Elmarit 180mmf2 180mm 2.8 280mm plus the Leica apo-Telyt -R Module system plus Zoom Lenses etc etc. Better focusing system, better metering, interchangeable focusing screens and backs , Motor drives and winders. Who can remember that brilliant innovation called the Digital Modul back. I am one of those people who love and still use the R system WITH FILM, however last month a was loaned a Canon 40D to use with my R lenses, through a Novoflex Leica R to Canon EOS adapter It worked flawlessly. NOW THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY A VERY GOOD SOURCE. Leica will release a smaller DSLR with a new range of auto focus lenses. (NO NOT THE S SYSTEM) The MF Leica R lenses can be used. It will be full frame and have other goodies, and expected announcement this year. Now if this does't come to fruition you can always continue to use that lovely stuff called FILM. Ken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted May 2, 2010 Share #23 Posted May 2, 2010 Sometime ago Leica realised the deficiencies of the M system so they they developed the superior R system. ...and that's where you lost me. I write as an M and R user. The simplistic "four legs good, two legs bad" approach simply doesn't apply. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted May 2, 2010 Share #24 Posted May 2, 2010 Sometime ago Leica realised the deficiencies of the M system so they they developed the superior R system. ... <Choke!> <Splutter!!> Oh, look at that - you've gone and got tea all over my computer screen. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted May 2, 2010 Share #25 Posted May 2, 2010 True: superior size, superior weight, superior visibility... If Leica would make a DSLR with R3-R8 like ergonomics (manual everything, aperture priority mode (A), no AF, centre weighted metering) then I would buy it immediately & collect a few (cheapish) R lenses at the second hand store. If it was fitted with a whole pile of multipoint, smile recognition etc. gizmo's then no thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 2, 2010 Share #26 Posted May 2, 2010 ...If Leica would make a DSLR with R3-R8 like ergonomics (manual everything, aperture priority mode (A), no AF, centre weighted metering) then I would buy it immediately.... +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted May 2, 2010 Share #27 Posted May 2, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have my doubts there, Doug. I have used a 645 system ( Mamiya) for wildlife in Africa, and I found the 500, even more so with the 2x extender, a bit too much of a handful for serious wildlife work, let alone birds. I doubt the S2 would be much different in that respect. I typically get a lot closer to wildlife than most photographers. Yesterday I photographed a Ruffed Grouse with the 100 APO; the bird was just over 1 meter from the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanyr Posted May 2, 2010 Author Share #28 Posted May 2, 2010 NOW THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY A VERY GOOD SOURCE. Leica will release a smaller DSLR with a new range of auto focus lenses. (NO NOT THE S SYSTEM) The MF Leica R lenses can be used. It will be full frame and have other goodies, and expected announcement this year. Now if this does't come to fruition you can always continue to use that lovely stuff called FILM. Ken. Thanks Ken. This is what I'm looking forward to. A new 35mm type DSLR from Leica with autofocus. It would be fine even if it had the DMR's 1.3x crop. Time to save up and stop purchases in other systems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted May 2, 2010 Share #29 Posted May 2, 2010 You are going to start saving on the strength of a rumour? I have a bridge you might be interested in... Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 3, 2010 Share #30 Posted May 3, 2010 True: superior size, superior weight, superior visibility... If Leica would make a DSLR with R3-R8 like ergonomics (manual everything, aperture priority mode (A), no AF, centre weighted metering) then I would buy it immediately & collect a few (cheapish) R lenses at the second hand store. If it was fitted with a whole pile of multipoint, smile recognition etc. gizmo's then no thanks. Lovely hipotesis...but, as soon as announced, the R lenses won't be anymore "cheap"... ... Leica insiders can have the opportunity of a big financial speculation... I wonder if there is a market for "future and options" on used R glass ... with this forum as the reputable market-maker, and "Leicarumors" as the trash market-heater.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted May 3, 2010 Share #31 Posted May 3, 2010 I questioned this person on the DSLR and he was adamant that it's on. He also give me the price..$$$$$$$$$$$.... it's between the M9 and the S2 .......OUCH! So there you have it, wait and see. Ken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted May 3, 2010 Share #32 Posted May 3, 2010 ...and that's where you lost me. I write as an M and R user. The simplistic "four legs good, two legs bad" approach simply doesn't apply. Regards, Bill Bill I am also an M user, but I have to except reality, my M7 is brilliant in low light but for everything else my R series cameras cover a wider scope in my photography. If the M9 is so good why did Leica bother with the S2 another SLR. Check out all the Magazines, I would say that the largest majority of the photos where taken with SLR's not range finders. End of story. Ken.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted May 3, 2010 Share #33 Posted May 3, 2010 If the M9 is so good why did Leica bother with the S2 another SLR. The S2 is aimed aimed at a totally different market to the M9 - which isn't to say that one person may not own both. A casual glance at the pre-launch publicity will show that quite clearly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted May 3, 2010 Share #34 Posted May 3, 2010 If Leica would make a DSLR with R3-R8 like ergonomics (manual everything, aperture priority mode (A), no AF, centre weighted metering) then I would buy it immediately & collect a few (cheapish) R lenses at the second hand store. Well.... if you put R lenses on a 5D body...... You do have manual everything, A mode, no AF and centre weighted metering. The 5D (&D2) ergonomics aren't bad, but it would be nice if it were a little smaller. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted May 3, 2010 Share #35 Posted May 3, 2010 The S2 is aimed aimed at a totally different market to the M9 - which isn't to say that one person may not own both. A casual glance at the pre-launch publicity will show that quite clearly. Glamour, sports action, Macro, wild life, aviation etc etc are the domain of the SLR, where would you fit the range finder....perhaps indiscreet street photography. Leica know this, thats why they created and continue to build the SLR. My point is the SLR is overall technically superior to the range finder. Nevertheless I still enjoy using my M7 in combination with my Leica R's Ken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 3, 2010 Share #36 Posted May 3, 2010 Well.... if you put R lenses on a 5D body......You do have manual everything, A mode, no AF and centre weighted metering... Yes but no diaphragm preselection with the 5D. No problem when shooting at fast apertures but the viewfinder is too dark at f/5.6 and on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.kim Posted May 3, 2010 Share #37 Posted May 3, 2010 I questioned this person on the DSLR and he was adamant that it's on.He also give me the price..$$$$$$$$$$$.... it's between the M9 and the S2 .......OUCH! So there you have it, wait and see. Ken. So I almost got two heart attacks: 1) Oh the JOY of an R-lens compatible DSLR! 2) Oh the HORROR of the price! - not that it's unexpected from Leica... *sigh*... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted May 3, 2010 Share #38 Posted May 3, 2010 Well.... if you put R lenses on a 5D body...... You do have manual everything, A mode, no AF and centre weighted metering. The 5D (&D2) ergonomics aren't bad, but it would be nice if it were a little smaller. No auto-diaphragm, several R wide-angle lenses foul the mirror and image quality isn't in the DMR league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 3, 2010 Share #39 Posted May 3, 2010 I typically get a lot closer to wildlife than most photographers. Yesterday I photographed a Ruffed Grouse with the 100 APO; the bird was just over 1 meter from the camera.You could have used an M9 then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted May 3, 2010 Share #40 Posted May 3, 2010 You could have used an M9 then Framing accuracy & parallax might have been a problem http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/nature-wildlife/124540-ruffed-grouse.html Wouldn't want to cut her head off or get a twig in front of the lens that the viewfinder didn't "see". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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