stuny Posted August 10, 2020 Share #13381 Posted August 10, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Look closely, Hektor - There are knockoffs on it. Here are two more views of the same car. And like Pippy, this car's styling has entranced me since I first saw one. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4024920'>More sharing options...
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pippy Posted August 10, 2020 Share #13382 Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, hektor said: Not a 1969 Dino or a 206. The 206 and the 1969 246 had knock-off wheels. The 206 cars also had an external fuel-filler cap on the (LHS) c-pillar buttress as far as I know although I cannot be 100% sure if this was a feature for the whole of the production era. Philip. EDIT : OK; see next post for an explanation! I leaned something new today! Edited August 10, 2020 by pippy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted August 10, 2020 Share #13383 Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) According to the auction entry this was an 'interim model' which explains the 246 touches. The web entry for the actual car also shows the alloys to be knock-off spinners; https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/ny15/new-york---driven-by-disruption/lots/r122-1969-ferrari-dino-206-gt-by-scaglietti/182096 Philip. Edited August 10, 2020 by pippy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 10, 2020 Share #13384 Posted August 10, 2020 45 minutes ago, hektor said: Not a 1969 Dino or a 206. The 206 and the 1969 246 had knock-off wheels. Not my one didn't. Bolt on Cromodora alloys. My brother's later "chairs and flares" car also was bolt on. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted August 10, 2020 Share #13385 Posted August 10, 2020 The Pininfarina Dino Berlinetta Speciale is beautiful but technically I think that’s a prototype not a production car (and it has no internals to the engine or gearbox + a dummy gear lever) - but it did spawn some of the prettiest Ferraris (so should be allowed IMHO 😀). I was much more heading Elva/racers till the “chrome door detail” pics... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hektor Posted August 10, 2020 Share #13386 Posted August 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, wlaidlaw said: Not my one didn't. Bolt on Cromodora alloys. My brother's later "chairs and flares" car also was bolt on. Wilson Wilson, it was only the early cars, 1968 and 1969, which had the knock-off wheels. The later cars had bolt-on of varying types. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted August 10, 2020 Share #13387 Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, NigelG said: The Pininfarina Dino Berlinetta Speciale is beautiful but technically I think that’s a prototype not a production car (and it has no internals to the engine or gearbox + a dummy gear lever) - but it did spawn some of the prettiest Ferraris (so should be allowed IMHO 😀)... Hmmmm.... Nigel, as far as I have always been aware - and a quick google seems to confirm my thoughts - this first prototype (for such it most assuredly was) did, indeed, have fully-functioning internals etc; "The Berlinetta Speciale was built on a competition Type 585 tubular chassis, derived from the Dino 206 SP Sports Prototype, with its engine mounted longitudinally. This first Dino concept car was finished in record time by October 1965, just before the 52nd Paris Motor Show. It was built on a spare chassis s/n 0840, from Scuderia Ferrari..." This change from longitudinal to transverse layout (headlights and seats apart!) was probably the greatest change from prototype to production model. Having said all that (and only going from memory) not one of the books I have here (and there are a few which feature this car) mentions anyone actually driving the thing so if you know of more details then, of course, I will bow, happily, to your superior knowledge! In due course I will check with my reference stuff some time tomorrow but it was always my belief that the thing could actually go under its own steam... Philip. Edited August 10, 2020 by pippy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim J Posted August 11, 2020 Share #13388 Posted August 11, 2020 "Interim models" as Pippy mentioned, or those cars produced at the time of a changeover can be a curious amalgamation of parts. I know someone who has an Austin Freeway that is supposedly a Mark II, but half of it is Mark I - and the Mark I parts are original fitments, not part of a later rebuild or repair. I have a 1962 Wolseley 15/60 (unlike the UK, where it was replaced in 1961 the 15/60 continued in production in Australia for a few weeks into 1962 when it was replaced by the 24/80) which was the 49th (I think) 15/60 built in 1962. It has a 24/80 heater assembly and the rear axle and springs are 24/80 parts as well. It also has one 24/80 window winder, but that may have been a replacement somewhere along the line. My car must be close to being the last one made, as it's the highest body number known to the Wolseley Car Club of NSW (unfortunately surviving Australian factory records only give the numbers for the first car produced every year, not the last). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted August 11, 2020 Share #13389 Posted August 11, 2020 7 hours ago, pippy said: but it was always my belief that the thing could actually go under its own steam... Pippy you are indeed correct!..I had based the non-running on the sale catalog details when the car was offered having been on static display. ”An inspection of the car and observation of certain elements (chassis, engine, pedals, cooling system) has allowed us to conclude that it was originally built on the base of a Dino 206 P......... The interior and exterior of the car are complete. The engine is present with all accessories (carburettors, distributors, ignition coils, exhaust, cooling system with radiator, expansion vessel and lines...), but missing all internal moving components such as rods, pistons and crank. The gearbox case appears to be empty, with what seems to be a dummy gear lever fixed to the neutral position. The clutch is also missing, as is the flywheel, but the clutch receiver is present along with the two arms of the transmission.” To what extent it was ever much driven (as opposed to “maneouvered”) is a mystery and it certainly was sent by train to the museum in 1967. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 11, 2020 Share #13390 Posted August 11, 2020 Given how difficult it is to find parts for old Ferrari race cars, I am not surprised that the internals of the 206 have been removed. Ferrari Classice keep very strict control over old race car parts and do not allow third party companies to remanufacture or reproduce them, irrespective if Ferrari have none themselves and do not intend to make any more. If they find out someone is doing this, they will quickly get a cease and desist letter, swiftly followed by legal action. When we were running the ex-Ronnie Petersen Ferrari 312PB prototype car, we had one spare engine but it needed a new crankshaft and rods. This 312P flat 12 engine has virtually no components in common with the 312T flat 12 F1 engine other than the Lucas fuel injection and ignition system. Effectively no spares are available at all for the prototype 3L flat 12. We failed to find someone who would make a new crankshaft and rods for us on the quiet, as many companies in the historic race business are scared of legal action from Ferrari. In the end we found a complete used set of 312P internals from Japan which were able to be refurbished. Here is your next one. Not quite a Ferrari. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4025171'>More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted August 11, 2020 Share #13391 Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) This either is the cabin of a pick-up from the 40s or an odd microcar. I opt for the pick-up. Edited August 11, 2020 by a.j.z Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 11, 2020 Share #13392 Posted August 11, 2020 Neither Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted August 11, 2020 Share #13393 Posted August 11, 2020 Some three-wheeler? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted August 11, 2020 Share #13394 Posted August 11, 2020 5 hours ago, wlaidlaw said: Here is your next one. Not quite a Ferrari... In which case is it a Lamborghini, perhaps, Wilson? OK; judging by the angle of the 'wing-mirror' it would suggest that the driver really needs to see what is down well below cab-height so is it the cab of some sort of loading-craft such as might have been found in / at a dockyard / loading bay? Your tale of sourcing Ferrari parts reminded me strongly of the similar headache which Nick Mason experienced when trying to get his ex-Le Mans (star of both the race and the film!) 512 sports prototype up and running. In his case the problem was incompatiblity between 512S and 512M parts. IIRC he eventually managed to track down what he called "an Alladin's Cave of old 512 parts" which were owned by the late, great Herbie Muller. Philip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted August 11, 2020 Share #13395 Posted August 11, 2020 Re the “missing” parts on the Dino Speciale it’s interesting to note that when Sergio Pininfarina decided to offer the car to the ACO museum he noted that he needed to seek the agreement of “Mr Ferrari” also as " the body of this car is the property of our company while the chassis and mechanical elements belong to Ferrari 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 11, 2020 Share #13396 Posted August 11, 2020 Philip, The vehicle concerned is is a museum, so the mirror could have been aimed by a curator in any direction. It might have been found at a loading dock but more commonly elsewhere. Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 11, 2020 Share #13397 Posted August 11, 2020 2 hours ago, a.j.z said: Some three-wheeler? Partially. Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted August 11, 2020 Share #13398 Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, wlaidlaw said: Partially... In which case it reminds me of a three-wheeler truck cab (with trailer) toy I had as a nipper made by Lesney (I think?). Is it a Scammell(sp?). Philip. Edited August 11, 2020 by pippy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted August 11, 2020 Share #13399 Posted August 11, 2020 Also known by Matchbox as the “Mechanical Horse”. I had a rather bashed one with a wonky wheel - probably from a school bring-and-buy or jumble... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted August 11, 2020 Share #13400 Posted August 11, 2020 Having had to resort to 'google' I see that my toy was a Matchbox / A Moko Lesney No.10 Scammell Scarab - this very version!; https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.com/19540e42-deb5-47fa-9e44-a9f80088bcb8/be3219ca-0661-4acf-8449-a9ff00ffc58d/540x360.jpg Not sure if that is the vehicle in question? Philip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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