a.j.z Posted June 18, 2020 Share #13181 Posted June 18, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) No. This is a very special, rare but pretty famous car. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 Hi a.j.z, Take a look here Name this car..... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
wlaidlaw Posted June 18, 2020 Share #13182 Posted June 18, 2020 1911 Graf und Stift Double Phaeton as used in Sarajevo? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted June 18, 2020 Share #13183 Posted June 18, 2020 If Wilson is correct, that would be "very special." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted June 18, 2020 Share #13184 Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) You are in the right area but famous for something else (it had nothing to do with starting a world war but more with saving the world) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 18, 2020 by a.j.z Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3995249'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 18, 2020 Share #13185 Posted June 18, 2020 The history of this car is very murky. There was the myth of it being the "Black Car" killing dozens of subsequent owners, passengers and pedestrians but when this was investigated in more detail recently, it just did not stand up. Also there is some evidence of the real Sarajevo car having been scrapped in 1917 or alternatively 1923. There are two cars competing for the Sarajevo car. The best claim is the car in Vienna’s Heeresgeschichtliches Museum but there is another car in the Sarajevo museum which I saw last year but I think this is a cobbled together copy. Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 18, 2020 Share #13186 Posted June 18, 2020 Andreas our posts crossed. I now think looking at the wheel it might be the Lohner Porsche gasoline electric car with wheel motors. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted June 18, 2020 Share #13187 Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) You got it! A Lohner Porsche Mixte from 1901 with Daimler 5.5 l engine plus wheel motors, an early hybrid. The sign says it had 25hp and could go 100 km/h although I would not be to keen to test the high speed. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 18, 2020 by a.j.z 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3995316'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 19, 2020 Share #13188 Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) Here is the next one, which I think is pretty easy but then I know what it is. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 19, 2020 by wlaidlaw Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3995505'>More sharing options...
Graham (G4FUJ) Posted June 19, 2020 Share #13189 Posted June 19, 2020 The blue one? 6R4? (Might be a bit tall for that though as the red one behind looks to be one of the little Suzuki SJ 4x4). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 19, 2020 Share #13190 Posted June 19, 2020 Graham, thinking along the right lines but both wrong. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted June 19, 2020 Share #13191 Posted June 19, 2020 Renault 5 Turbo ? JZG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsj Posted June 19, 2020 Share #13192 Posted June 19, 2020 vor 36 Minuten schrieb John Z. Goriup: Renault 5 Turbo ? JZG my thoughts exactly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 19, 2020 Share #13193 Posted June 19, 2020 32 minutes ago, John Z. Goriup said: Renault 5 Turbo ? JZG Correct so far but need quite a bit more. The clues are there in my picture. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted June 19, 2020 Share #13194 Posted June 19, 2020 If memory serves me correctly, this was called the Renault 5 Maxi-Turbo, driven by Jean Ragnotti at the Monte Carlo Rally. JZG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 19, 2020 Share #13195 Posted June 19, 2020 Correct a Renault 5 Maxi Groupe B rally car, which bears about as close a resemblance to a regular 5 Turbo as a Nascar Chevvy bears to Grandad's Caprice. It is a space frame and carbon fibre tub with a mid-engine version of the Alpine Dieppe 1300 DOHC motor, sleeved out to 1527 cc and a sequential gearbox. In period they produced up to 385 BHP but turbo technology has moved on a long way since. The owner was telling me he is now getting over 400 BHP at the back wheels, which means over 450 at the flywheel. He said it was supposed to have been driven by Jean Ragnotti but then they all were. He was in his late 50's and said he is soon going to have to sell the car, as his reactions are just not quick enough for it. It is apparently a real handful to drive at any significant speed. I was encouraging him to find a late 1970's ex-USA Porsche 911 racecar like mine and build it into a group 4 RSR rally car. If you get the correct people to build it (I gave him the names of two companies in France), they are very forgiving and benign to drive, even for an old f**t like me, unlike their reputation. Modern trick limited slip differentials from Quaife or Kazz (I use a Kazz) have really tamed these cars and totally eliminated the lift off oversteer. The car behind is a regular R5GT Turbo with a front engine and front wheel drive. Your turn John. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3995663'>More sharing options...
PeterBrandt Posted June 19, 2020 Share #13196 Posted June 19, 2020 pointless, can not see car, too many log-ins, make it easier to participate....useless ! Peter Brandt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted June 19, 2020 Share #13197 Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) vor 6 Stunden schrieb PeterBrandt: pointless, can not see car, too many log-ins, make it easier to participate....useless ! Peter Brandt Welcome to the thread but what exactly is the problem? Edited June 19, 2020 by a.j.z Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 20, 2020 Share #13198 Posted June 20, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, PeterBrandt said: pointless, can not see car, too many log-ins, make it easier to participate....useless ! Peter Brandt Not sure why you can’t see the car, or what logins have to do with it. The way this thread works is someone posts a bit of a car, and we all have to guess what it is. The person who gets it right, then has to post a new bit of a car, rinse and repeat. You need to have taken the image of the car yourself, using either a Leica camera or a Leica lens. That’s it. Grab a drink and popcorn, and watch in wonder as the experts identify the most obscure cars, and give interesting history for each. Anything made before I was born, I struggle! PS - I should have said you don’t get to post a new car until you’ve guessed the current car - so it’s one at a time ... Edited June 20, 2020 by IkarusJohn 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted June 20, 2020 Share #13199 Posted June 20, 2020 Please forgive the delay in posting a new 'puzzle car'. After much digging & searching I think I may have finally come up with the 'perfect crime', i.e. a car that I don't think can be guessed..........and it's not a one-off, rather, a highly regarded production automobile. I'll be perfectly satisfied if the winner simply names the marque only................model designation optional. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3996336'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 20, 2020 Share #13200 Posted June 20, 2020 1934 Hubmobile? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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