Rona!d Posted June 6, 2019 Share #12381 Posted June 6, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) From the year of made would it be allowed at the London to Brighton Run? I guess it´s around 1903 (+/-2 years). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Hi Rona!d, Take a look here Name this car..... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Rona!d Posted June 6, 2019 Share #12382 Posted June 6, 2019 If US made there were so many of them. Any more details/infos? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 6, 2019 Share #12383 Posted June 6, 2019 Not US, much later and very rare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted June 6, 2019 Share #12384 Posted June 6, 2019 Two possibly off-base questions Is this a reproduction vehicle from a movie? Or maybe converted from a horse-drawn carriage? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 6, 2019 Share #12385 Posted June 6, 2019 No it is very much an original vehicle and it could be said of historic significance. It was scratch built not a conversion. Once you know what it is, all will become clear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted June 6, 2019 Share #12386 Posted June 6, 2019 vor 5 Stunden schrieb wlaidlaw: Not US, much later and very rare. Are we talking about later than 1950? By the look of it (except the wheels) I´d think much earlier, around 1903-1905. Is this a recreation of a historic vehicle? So could have been made even in the 2000´s? What about it´s historic significance? Any more details? UK made or French or Italy? Or was it the first car made in a much smaller country, so from that side "historic significance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 7, 2019 Share #12387 Posted June 7, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) French early 1930's, not giving any more away or I might just as well name the car. It is original not a recreation and today lives about 1 km away from where it was made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted June 7, 2019 Share #12388 Posted June 7, 2019 Oh well, this is something really special and unexpected for an early 1930s car of that maker. Bugatti Type 56 Phaeton Biplace (1931) Propably the car Ettore used for his personal transportation in his factory (4385 JA2). A handful had been built, how many survivors? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 7, 2019 Share #12389 Posted June 7, 2019 Ronald, Absolutely correct a Type 56. The number made is a little vague and somewhat controversial. The factory records imply that five further examples were made but there seem to be at least 7 survivors, so some faking/cloning may have occurred. This is believed to be Ettore's own car from the 56110 chassis number - see photo below. It is currently sitting in the stables of Chateau St Jean, Bugatti's residence, now housing the offices of Bugatti Automobiles and next to the current Bugatti factory. I was called away to go to my Chiron briefing, just as I was about to take a photo of the whole car but there is a good page of information on the Type 56 here: https://simanaitissays.com/2017/01/18/a-bugatti-electric-vehicle/ . The Type 56 displays Bugatti's usual cavalier attitude to brakes. I discussed this with one of the current Bugatti engineers. We wondered if it might at least be partially due to the characteristics of French roads in the 1920's, were they often had long straight stretches but were heavily cambered. So braking would have been an infrequent event and heavy braking on the unsealed or pavé surface could have pulled the car down the camber into the road side ditches or worse the roadside trees. In Italy where roads were often far more mountainous and the UK, where roads other than the very few remaining Roman roads, were very twisty, good braking on a powerful sports car of the period, was at far more of a premium. If you look at say a Bugatti Type 30's brakes compared with two of its competitors, the Alfa Romeo RLSS and the Bentley 3 litre Red Label, the Type 30's brakes are abysmal if still using the original cable actuation. Even Tazio Nuvolari complained bitterly about Bugatti brakes as late as the mid 1930's, having been used to the excellent brakes on the 8 cylinder Alfas. For similar reasons, American cars of the 1920's also often have very poor brakes. The US built Springfield Rolls Royces, were still being sold as late as 1926, with rear wheel brakes only. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3755043'>More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted June 7, 2019 Share #12390 Posted June 7, 2019 The idea behind this vehicle is pretty interesting. Others make simple cars for price reasons, this model was propably only made for easy near distance transportation and for personal use of Bugatti family and friends. They don´t stink are easy to use (even for women without driving license). Ettore and his electrician may have got the idea while working on the electric "baby car" for kids. Somehow this reminds me of the VW "Plattenwagen" which was a simple as it could be (although not electric) and made for internal works transportation. Only the use ruled the design. Nobody had to think about customers and sales. The VW Plattenwagen inspired Ben Pon to draw the VW bus, what could have happened if there would have been a "Ben Pon" for Bugatti? 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 7, 2019 Share #12391 Posted June 7, 2019 It is thought that the initial version of this (the one in my photos) may have been built after Ettore had had a fall from one of his large stable of horses and was struggling to get round the factory. I should have said it dates from 1931. The electric Type 52 baby Bugatti is in licensed production again by Winkler at a mere €33,000 + tax each. Makes the children's Morgan Three Wheeler electric seem a real bargain at just £7995! My son used to have a small version of the Lotus Super Seven with an electric start 5HP Honda generator engine, that cost a fraction of either of those prices. Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted June 7, 2019 Share #12392 Posted June 7, 2019 Next one, should be easy. Maker, model, year as usual. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3755238'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 7, 2019 Share #12393 Posted June 7, 2019 Alfa Romeo 6C2600? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted June 7, 2019 Share #12394 Posted June 7, 2019 No Alfa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hektor Posted June 8, 2019 Share #12395 Posted June 8, 2019 Late thirties Lancia Astura Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted June 8, 2019 Share #12396 Posted June 8, 2019 vor 4 Stunden schrieb hektor: Late thirties Lancia Astura Sorry, not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 8, 2019 Share #12397 Posted June 8, 2019 Mercedes 700K dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted June 8, 2019 Share #12398 Posted June 8, 2019 Not a Mercedes 700K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 8, 2019 Share #12399 Posted June 8, 2019 This looks terribly familiar to me. Is it a Humber? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted June 8, 2019 Share #12400 Posted June 8, 2019 Sorry, not a Humber. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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