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Ivan Goriup

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5 hours ago, Viv said:

Alfa Romeo 1300 Junior?

That's the closest guess yet and other than missing the magic Zagato designation in the complete name of this model, i.e. Alfa-Romeo Junior Zagato is the correct answer.

I owned one in the early 1970's after getting hopelessly and completely hooked on Alfas mall Series 105  series by way of a couple of clapped out Alfa Gulia Spiders.

This design was the last, complete design Ercole Spada delivered at Zagato before moving on and embodies all his experience and deep talent and understanding of vehicle design. Taut, clean, definitive, extremely well resolved & embodying several features that have essentially become de rigueur in sports car design, it was (still is, in my opinion ) one of the absolutely most fun-to-drive cars ever produced.

Yes, the gearshift lever stick out of the middle of the vertical part of the console took a while to get used to but never really interfered with driving and enjoying this marvelous little car. Didn't want to ever dispose of it, but living in the mid-West with those winters, snow, salt and utter & complete lack of rust protection and not having the luxury of a 2nd car or a garage it rusted through and as a student I simply couldn't afford the multitude of repairs.

The car pictured belonged to an Alfa Club member who's owned it for a long time an restored it to like-new condition, but he did occasionally confess to thinking about installing a 2-liter motor in it.

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The front view.

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and the rear view........please note the power-lift rear hatch which provided much-needed ventilation without allowing exhaust fumes into the interior due to the very well executed Wunibald Kamm tail design. One of the three cars I miss the most, of all I've owned.

Your turn, Viv and thanks for playing.

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I considered buying one of those when I first started to look for a classic rally car in 2008. However the three I looked at although pretty on the surface had a deep seated case of Italian tin worm. Same with the Lancia Flaminia Coupés (Touring body) I looked at. One had had the floor repaired with flattened old biscuit tins - a Huntly and Palmers Special. 

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Here goes.

This one should be easy.

 

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On 4/30/2024 at 3:15 PM, NigelG said:

I hope you’ve got an interior shot showing the gearstick placement…

A very lovely Zagato bodied GT1300 Junior I think - maybe 1200 built?


Edit - might be the slightly longer 1600 version on the regular chassis but I can’t really tell from the crop.

Pardon the non-sequitur, but during this lull I thought I could go back and post something I finally located in my photo files. NigelG mentioning the odd gearshift lever angle and position on 105 Series Alfas motivated me to look for & find this this image of an effective home-made solution to the 'problem' ,as executed by a fellow Alfa-club member on his Alfa GTA race car - worked quite well.

Sorry for the intrusion, now back to scheduled programming.

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On 5/1/2024 at 11:47 AM, Ivan Goriup said:

This design was the last, complete design Ercole Spada delivered at Zagato before moving on and embodies all his experience and deep talent and understanding of vehicle design. Taut, clean, definitive, extremely well resolved & embodying several features that have essentially become de rigueur in sports car design, it was (still is, in my opinion ) one of the absolutely most fun-to-drive cars ever produced.

Yes, the gearshift lever stick out of the middle of the vertical part of the console took a while to get used to but never really interfered with driving and enjoying this marvelous little car.

Over the last forty plus years I have enjoyed eight Alfa Romeos, three being 105 series.  Never found the gear-lever a problem, but I suppose that depends on one's physique.  In my experience the 1300 Giulietta was the sweetest, the 1750 the best all-rounder while the 2 litre was rough by comparison.

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Enlarging the engines on Alfas often seems to make them rougher. I bought an Alfa 75 demonstrator from Alfa GB when they were in Dover. It was an Autodelta one with their enlarged 3.5L V6. On my way back from the garage I stopped and opened the bonnet to make sure it was not a 4 cylinder car, it was so coarse. A complete contrast to the very sweet running Alfa 75 2.5 V6 that it replaced. I would have done better with a standard 3.0L car. It was certainly very quick. On a German Autobahn, I saw an indicated 160 MPH in it (probably nearer to 150 MPH). 

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Another fan of smaller engine Alfa's, they are a lot more fun to drive, although the 2.5 V6 engine is sublime. When racing our 1290cc Giulietta Ti you could wind it up to 8,000 rpm and so long as the revs didn't drop too far it even had a bit of torque to get out of the corners, and driving was all about keeping up the momentum as with the road cars. But the fun of small Italian engines also goes for Fiats as well, the cheapest Fiat Uno are great fun to drive, if any survive, but I suppose it goes for the Mk I and Mk II Mini's as well.

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1 hour ago, wlaidlaw said:

Enlarging the engines on Alfas often seems to make them rougher. I bought an Alfa 75 demonstrator from Alfa GB when they were in Dover. It was an Autodelta one with their enlarged 3.5L V6. On my way back from the garage I stopped and opened the bonnet to make sure it was not a 4 cylinder car, it was so coarse. A complete contrast to the very sweet running Alfa 75 2.5 V6 that it replaced. I would have done better with a standard 3.0L car. It was certainly very quick. On a German Autobahn, I saw an indicated 160 MPH in it (probably nearer to 150 MPH). 

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I think the Autodelta 3.5 was a stroked 3 litre and in my experience stroking an engine induces increased roughness.

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Am 5.5.2024 um 21:39 schrieb steinknies:

Will have access to my files only in two days. Sorry for delay.

Ok, here we go. I was struggling a bit with resizing the image as I got only an iPad available atm. Hope it´s fine now.

However, this one should not be too hard to identify… (Shot with M246 and LUX50asph)

 

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