Rona!d Posted September 5, 2022 Share #18381 Â Posted September 5, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is this a vehicle which started as Cournil (Gefarm, Simi, Autoland/Auverland), in Portugal UMM? There was a similar looking vehicle called Sovamag TC10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted September 5, 2022 Share #18382  Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) This is indeed a Sovamag. The owner thinks it is a TC19 but he is not sure as the original chassis plate is missing. Its origins go back to 1980, when a company called  Sovam (Société des Véhicules André Morin), was invited by the French military to submit a proposal for a domestically produced, lightweight but robust and simple 1/2 ton utility 4 x 4 truck. Their design was adopted by the army as the model TC10. It had an atmospheric Peugeot 2.5 L diesel engine. This was later changed to a turbocharged version of the Peugeot 2.5 diesel together with some other minor improvements (? stronger differentials and front CVJ's) and renamed the TC19. This was also sold to the navy, police, fire brigades and civil defence. There were a very small number of civilian sales but it was more expensive at the time than a coil sprung Land Rover 110 in France, so not very popular. The TC19 model was made by Panhard et Levassor's military vehicle division, who I believe acquired SOVAM. Panhard in turn was acquired by Peugeot to form a military vehicles division. Peugeot updated the vehicle again to the TC24-TD, then the TC240-TD and somewhat surprisingly replaced the 2.5L Peugeot engine by a VM Motori 2.5L 425-OHV turbo diesel, I assume for reliability reasons. Of course nowadays Peugeot and VM are all part of Stellantis. I believe that the last of these vehicles were delivered to the fire services in 2006-2007. This one is an ex Forest Fire Services command vehicle, which were replaced by either Mercedes G Wagons or Unimogs a few years ago and the serviceable ones sold off as government surplus to the general public, at very low prices. The current owner bought his in 2009 for €800 at an auction. I cannot find any details of numbers of these vehicles made but including army orders, I would imagine a few thousand. Wilson  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited September 5, 2022 by wlaidlaw 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4503799'>More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 5, 2022 Share #18383  Posted September 5, 2022 Saw some of them in France. Interesting french gov. invited even small makers to create their own french version of a „Land Rover“. Thanks for sharing, Wilson. Reminds me of making holidays there 😉 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 5, 2022 Share #18384  Posted September 5, 2022 If you think that by 1983, the Land Rovers were coil sprung and permanent 4WD, which was about the time this went into series production at Panhard, it really is a bit of a dinosaur. Probably more reliable than an L-R though (not difficult). I had a series II Aeroportable ex army Land Rover. It is the only vehicle on which I have had total brake failure. Luckily with its ultra low compression engine, it was going so slowly, I was able to steer it into a ditch and let it grind itself to a halt. Wilson 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted September 5, 2022 Share #18385  Posted September 5, 2022 Most of us don't intentionally steer into a ditch 😉 Once I had to steer into a curb at a very slight angle when I found the hill, I was on was covered in glare ice. I edged the rest of the way down (one block) rubbing the right-side tires against the curb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 6, 2022 Share #18386  Posted September 6, 2022 8 hours ago, stuny said: Most of us don't intentionally steer into a ditch 😉  Well hopefully nowadays, most folks will never suffer a total brake failure. On an older Land Rover, the hand brake works with a single transmission brake at the back of the gearbox, so that if you are in 4WD (the yellow knob pushed down), all four wheels will be locked, which is useful on a steep slope with a loose surface. The downside is that if you try and use it as an emergency brake during a failure of the regular hydraulic brakes, you are quite likely to break a rear half shaft or a Hooke joint on the rear cardan shaft. We have transmission brakes on both our 1903 Darracq and 1904 Panhard. They operate off the right hand foot pedal (throttle and mixture, which together act as the accelerator, as was common for the period, are on the steering wheel). This transmission brake is at the back of the gearbox as the Land Rover. The transmission brake is fine for gentle braking. The regular brakes work from an outside hand lever (push forward on the Panhard but remember!! pull back on the Darracq), acting on the rear wheels only, which are on a "dead" rear axle driven by chains. Phil who looks after these always reminds us that the transmission brake is called such, as if you use it in anger, you will "break" something a half shaft or a drive chain. Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted September 6, 2022 Share #18387  Posted September 6, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 9/3/2022 at 6:46 PM, wlaidlaw said: One of those horrible cod Mitsuoka Jaguar copies based on a Nissan Micra. My middle daughter was desperate to get one but she settled on a new Mini Cooper instead. Wilson She made the right choice!  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 6, 2022 Share #18388  Posted September 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Viv said: She made the right choice!  She didn't I did 😀 Wilson 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 6, 2022 Share #18389  Posted September 6, 2022 So here the next one. Maker and model please. Bonus for the right year of made.  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4504428'>More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted September 6, 2022 Share #18390 Â Posted September 6, 2022 Hello Ronald, 1968. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 7, 2022 Share #18391 Â Posted September 7, 2022 vor 14 Stunden schrieb Michael Geschlecht: Hello Ronald, 1968. Best Regards, Michael Sorry, no bonus points for you, Michael. Earlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 9, 2022 Share #18392  Posted September 9, 2022 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4505880'>More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 9, 2022 Share #18393 Â Posted September 9, 2022 serial made car of a well known maker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 9, 2022 Share #18394  Posted September 9, 2022 Strange mix on this one. Clamshell bonnet quite a modern feature but old fashioned "suicide" front opening doors and vestigial running boards. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 9, 2022 Share #18395  Posted September 9, 2022 vor einer Stunde schrieb wlaidlaw: Strange mix on this one. Clamshell bonnet quite a modern feature but old fashioned "suicide" front opening doors and vestigial running boards. Wilson Which should easily point to the car 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted September 9, 2022 Share #18396  Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Rona!d said: Which should easily point to the car 😉 Does it feature suicide-doors? I thought I could see a hinge at what I believed to be the lower-leading-edge of the front door? The 'bits' which intrigue me most are the Art-Deco-esque flourishes on the headlamp bezel and the running-boards. Are we 'in France' sometime around late '40s / early '50s?... Philip. Edited September 9, 2022 by pippy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 9, 2022 Share #18397  Posted September 9, 2022 Philip, have a closer look to the next details.  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4505932'>More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 9, 2022 Share #18398  Posted September 9, 2022 And here my final hint which should lead to the car in question and answer the suicide (yes and no!) door question. Front AND rear hinged doors ;-))) And 1940´s/1950´s is BOTH wrong, what a desaster 😉  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4505936'>More sharing options...
pippy Posted September 9, 2022 Share #18399 Â Posted September 9, 2022 Well I have to admit I'm baffled - not for the first time - and intrigued in equal measure! I did wonder if the "desaster" wording was hinting towards DeSoto but my grasp of American Automobilia is practically non-existent. I'll give the thing a bit more thought but, in the interim, will be fascinated to read suggestions made by everyone else! Philip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lx1jon Posted September 10, 2022 Share #18400  Posted September 10, 2022 Opel Admiral cabriolet 1937-8. I was thrown somewhat by the Art Deco touches… 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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