wlaidlaw Posted February 21, 2020 Share #12741  Posted February 21, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Graham, I wondered that as well but it is not any of the pre-war V12’s I recognise. Not Lagonda, R-R, Hispano, Delage or any of the American ones, which I think were all flatheads. It looks a bit like a Pegaso engine but that was DOHC with very obvious chain bulges at the front of the cam box covers. John’s engine looks like a Hemi push-rod engine. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Graham (G4FUJ) Posted February 21, 2020 Share #12742  Posted February 21, 2020 Wilson, 6 spark plugs on the nearside bank (I had to go back for another look!). Didn't think about the chain bulges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 21, 2020 Share #12743  Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) Graham, I am only on a compact iPad, while travelling, so counting spark plugs a Nono. 😀 Wilson PS The only other pre-war V12 I can think of that just possibly was used post-war would have been the Daimler double six, the later non-sleeve valve one but I have no idea what that looks like. W Edited February 21, 2020 by wlaidlaw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted February 21, 2020 Share #12744 Â Posted February 21, 2020 I try a systematic approach: British? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted February 21, 2020 Share #12745 Â Posted February 21, 2020 Does anybody recognize the emblem on the nose? It is quite characteristic but I don't think that I have seen this before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted February 21, 2020 Share #12746  Posted February 21, 2020 It is a pre-war V-12 -  the car shown started out as one in a series of 4 cars built for a specific purpose, which this car achieved. Not American, nor British - rather, the entire car in all its iterations is the product of one continental European country. JZG  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3917025'>More sharing options...
Graham (G4FUJ) Posted February 21, 2020 Share #12747  Posted February 21, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, wlaidlaw said: Graham, I am only on a compact iPad, while travelling, so counting spark plugs a Nono. 😀 Wilson Understood Wilson  I too would find it impossible on any of my smaller devices! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 21, 2020 Share #12748  Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) I think it is the Alfa Romeo V12 Vignale. This may the one re-bodied post-war by Bonetto.  Wilson Edited February 21, 2020 by wlaidlaw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted February 21, 2020 Share #12749 Â Posted February 21, 2020 Sorry to disappoint, Â but it's not Italian...........that really leaves only one major car-producing European country that possessed the capabiliy to create such a vehicle at that time. JZG Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted February 21, 2020 Share #12750  Posted February 21, 2020 That suggests Germany. Perhaps BMW 327 coupe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
motard Posted February 21, 2020 Share #12751 Â Posted February 21, 2020 Delahaye Type 145? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted February 21, 2020 Share #12752 Â Posted February 21, 2020 Stuart, Wilson first stab at this was a 327 BMW,............... but it's not German. To help things along, I'll offer this clue: it's French. JZG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted February 21, 2020 Share #12753  Posted February 21, 2020 Two or three years before the war the Delahaye tried to come up with a car to beat the German's which was a V12. Perhaps this is the roadgoing "bed" for that engine, the 145? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lykaman Posted February 21, 2020 Share #12754  Posted February 21, 2020 Simca/Gordini    They had a racing pedigree.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted February 21, 2020 Share #12755  Posted February 21, 2020 Bingo, but we now have a small problem deciding who got it right first and gets the next turn. My post # 12752 was in reply to Stuny's # 12750, but before motard's #12751 appeared on my monitor.  I think I was typing my reply when motard posted his guess - and Yes, he identifies it correctly as a Delahaye Type 145, but it didn't start out as a 145, and  there's a bigger and much more interesting story behind all this. In '38 Delahaye came out with an all-new 4.5 liter V-12 powered Grand Prix car to take on the all-conquering German 'Silver Arrows, and built 4 cars for the '38 & '39 seasons. During that period, ALFA - Romeo held the outright speed record for automobiles with the French government offering a large prize to any frenchman or French manufacturer who could beat that record. Towards the end of a successful '38 Grand Prix season, one of these car not only tried, but actually did break the ALFA record at the Monthlery track (in the hands of famed driver and restaurateur Rene Dreufuss), and then went on to win a Grand Prix against the full German field of M-Bs & AUTO-UNION 'Silberpfeils'. Shortly thereafter war broke out and the four French GP cars were dismantled and squirreled away all over France to keep the terrible Bosche from taking them away. Shortly after the war, entrepreneur & renowned coachbuilder Henri Chapron purchased two of the Grand Prix cars, and rebodied them as luxurious, fast GTs with slightly detuned motors for wealthy foreigners, since France had imposed punishing taxes on all passenger cars with engines larger than 2 liters after the hostilities.They were sold & registered as Type 145s, even though they varied significantly from the production models. Today, both of the rebodied cars and one of the original four Grand Prix cars reside in Oxnard, Calif in the magnificent Mullen Automotive Museum. If you ever find yourself in that part of the world and have the slightest interest in cars,  I urge you to make an appointment and see that jewel of automotive art....." Rolling Sculpture" as Peter Mullen calls them. The grey car shown here is the actual record breaking car and is driven frequently and shown all over the world, with quite a few 'Best of Shows' to its credit. Stuart, as moderator would you please be good enough to decide who gets the next turn. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!             1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!             ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3917237'>More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted February 21, 2020 Share #12756  Posted February 21, 2020 Another image showing the car in its place of honor at the museum........absolutely beautiful. M240-P / 35mm Summilux FLE JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3917238'>More sharing options...
Graham (G4FUJ) Posted February 22, 2020 Share #12757 Â Posted February 22, 2020 Definitely automotive art! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted February 22, 2020 Share #12758  Posted February 22, 2020 Clearly,  motard must get the win. Beautiful photos and subjects, John, just as we've come to expect from you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
motard Posted February 22, 2020 Share #12759  Posted February 22, 2020 Thank you! This one shoul Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! d be rather easy: Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! d be rather easy: ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3917837'>More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted February 23, 2020 Share #12760 Â Posted February 23, 2020 Ferrari Testarossa! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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