Guest stnami Posted December 4, 2009 Share #21 Â Posted December 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Grrrrr.... I need something as a backup for that indecisive moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jsrockit Posted December 4, 2009 Share #22 Â Posted December 4, 2009 ... I've said before Leica have clearly designed the camera to appeal to photographers who are already familiar with other digitals and new to Leica, hence the layout, form etc., rather than designing a compact aimed at existing Leica users. Â I don't agree. The only thing that they left off that Leica users could have expected is a viewfinder... and they have an external one. The Minilux and CM didn't have a rangefinder...only a viewfinder that everyone complained about. The layout is not like any other digital camera on the market (except the M8 and M9)!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted December 4, 2009 Share #23 Â Posted December 4, 2009 Expectations: A 24mm Elmarit M-like Leica lens (or fairly close to it). Â Reality: A 24mm Elmarit (but-not-an Elmarit M) Leica lens. (Let me put it this way...you won't be disappointed.) Â Â Expectations: DSLR-like 920k-dot LCD. DSLR-fast AF. Â Realty: Minimalist 230K-dot (but certainly usable) LCD. So-so AF (actually about the same as the D-Lux series which for 98% of the time is really okay. It's just not for rat-tat-tat sports shooting on the sidelines of basketball and tennis courts or the mayhem of an unfolding photojournalistic news story but with practice and apparently zone focusing you can anticipate and get the money shots you need anyway). Â Â Expectations: Made in Germany. Â Reality: Finally assembled in Germany. (They're pretty fussy about things there. So don't worry.) Â Â Expectations: Minimalist, No-nonsense, Leica design. Â Reality: Minimalist, No-nonsense, Leica design. (Methinks Bresson would have loved it.) Â Â Expectations: Low noise up to ISO 3200 Sharp, contrasty DSLR like prints. All from a compact, non-bulky, compact digital camera. Â Reality: Low noise up to 3200. Sharp, contrasty Leica-like (a la M8 without the need for an IR filter) prints (even better). All from a compact, non-bulky, compact digital camera. Â Enjoy your new camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhabedi Posted December 4, 2009 Share #24  Posted December 4, 2009 Expectations: Made in Germany. Reality: Finally assembled in Germany. (They're pretty fussy about things there. So don't worry.)  Actually, it carries a "Made in Germany" sticker:  http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1135202-post22.html  For the legal status of this label see for example here:  Made in Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Made in Germany – Wikipedia  The second link is in German and says that the rules of the FTC in the US are pretty strict about this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted December 4, 2009 Share #25 Â Posted December 4, 2009 Enjoy the wait and even more so the X1 when it arrives. Am on top of a waiting list as well. My pocketable high IQ solutions so far, are Sigma's DP1 and DP2 (excellent lens plus sensor performance). I expect the X1 to better the DP2 in many respects. Don't pay attention to some notorious naysayers on this forum. The majority of them never owned nor will own and use a Leica. It is perfectly fine to be critical and challenging with Leica and its products, which are not perfect. But eventually, they build the best RF cameras, the best digital RF cameras, the best M-mount lenses, and the best large sensor-fixed focal length-truly pocketable digital camera (X1) money can buy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshore Posted December 4, 2009 Share #26 Â Posted December 4, 2009 I think you absolutely made the wrong decision and that you will regret it to your dying day. Furthermore to rid yourself of the onus of regretting your decision the rest of your life you should send the camera to me and let me bear the cross. I'll be miserable for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglasco Posted December 4, 2009 Share #27 Â Posted December 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) If you check out most of the negative comments you will find they are nearly always by the same few posters. you will find they post negative comments on the other Leica cameras on this forum, why they hang around here I do not know. the X1 will be a cool camera in my opinion and yes I have one on order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedmna Posted December 4, 2009 Share #28 Â Posted December 4, 2009 Claus, Â I'm sure you'll enjoy the camera. I've seen an X1, and its LCD is much better, although of similar spec, than the LCD of the Sigma DP2, my current favorite compact camera. The LCD design seems to have low levels of pixelation, and therefore is relatively easy to use for manual focusing. The magnification of the image helps a lot. Â The autofocus is average, but I must admit that would be of no concern to me because I zone focus when I need to react quickly to a situation. Â Ted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceflynn Posted December 4, 2009 Share #29 Â Posted December 4, 2009 The negative comments should not be taken too seriously. Their authors could be auditioning for writing assignments for Gizmodo, a site at which too many technical advances are met with a "they should have had this two years ago" reaction by people who have never produced anything at all, other than juvenile dismissals of the work of others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiOnara Posted December 5, 2009 Share #30 Â Posted December 5, 2009 I've messed around with a pre production model of the X1 and it's rather sexual. I can't wait to get my hands on a 100% final version. Â Let's have faith in Leica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted December 5, 2009 Share #31 Â Posted December 5, 2009 ... go on, admit it, what you really really want is an M9 and a 35 cron asph Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiOnara Posted December 5, 2009 Share #32 Â Posted December 5, 2009 It's true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted December 5, 2009 Share #33  Posted December 5, 2009 ... go on, admit it, what you really really want is an M9 and a 35 cron asph  Doesn't everyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmskov Posted December 5, 2009 Share #34 Â Posted December 5, 2009 I'm sorry to deliver more bad news but I've tried it for real and was dissapointet; The autofocus seemed slow and compared to the prize the feel of it didn't justify; I have bought a canon s90 instead as pointshoot alternative to my M8... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted December 5, 2009 Share #35  Posted December 5, 2009 ... go on, admit it, what you really really want is an M9 and a 35 cron asph  No : with a 0.95 Lux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammam Posted December 5, 2009 Share #36 Â Posted December 5, 2009 I don't agree. The only thing that they left off that Leica users could have expected is a viewfinder... and they have an external one. The Minilux and CM didn't have a rangefinder...only a viewfinder that everyone complained about. The layout is not like any other digital camera on the market (except the M8 and M9)!!!! The CM was a good film camera, and I don't remember that its VF was that bad. In fact, I didn't notice anything wrong with it. If the X1 gives the same IQ, it's gonna be nice. But I guess it will be better. I would miss an optical VF, however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammam Posted December 5, 2009 Share #37 Â Posted December 5, 2009 Yes, there is a lot of negativity here sometimes, and I have been guilty myself of letting out too much steam here and there. But I think it stems from the very high expectations we have with Leica products, and their very high prices. When you have Leica's reputation, and command these prices, you'de better not let down your fans. They will fall from considerable heights. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enboe Posted December 6, 2009 Share #38 Â Posted December 6, 2009 Just a thought, but you can have a lot of the same street shooters' experience with the 35/1.8G on your D80, or even a lesser Nikon. One body, one fast lens in the 50mm-ish effective focal length. Focus on seeing your environment and make the camera a seamless tool for capturing what you see. Â I do take out a D40x/35 combo when I don't want to risk the value of a Leica digital and find I can shoot it in much the same way. Not entirely the exact same experience, but still pretty good. Â Have fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taildraggin Posted December 6, 2009 Share #39 Â Posted December 6, 2009 Photography is a right-brain activity encumbered by left-brain crap. I like the X1 concept. Â Mom (Rolleicord) and dad (IIIf) shot thousands of beautiful images, often w/o using a meter. They just saw, guessed the exposure and got the shot. Â I just bought a D90 and it has driven me to this forum in the hope of finding a small quick, quality camera like they used. The Nikon performs remarkable tricks, but it has me longing for a simple digital version of dad's IIIf. Â I've had an FE and then a N80 before this. I thought N80 operations were a pain in the butt (I've taken far more good photos with my iPhone than I have with the N80, simply because it is simple and 'there'). The huge D90 has even more crap inside it (4 hours with the manual!). If you don't use the camera every day, you come upon a shot and wonder, "Oh God, where am I with this camera?" Â Of course, the solution is the M9 -- until I saw l'addition. Â Â I see this as a rangefinder replacement and they are all about wide angle and normal focal lengths - I'm not expecting continuous 4 frame bracketing with sequential multi picture-mode enhancements, hanging a 28-300mm zoom (crap, I hit backlit video mode). Â The most important thing, image quality, appears to be there (Reid's review), as are size, weight and simplicity. I'm unconcerned about the single lens; If anything, the fixed lens is optimized. Yes, I'll pay $2k for simplicity and top (relative) image quality. Â It seems that the only things that need to be checked are the AF rate and using the back as a viewfinder. I can simulate using the back with the D90, but I'll have to test the AF in person. Â So, I'm hoping that this follows the old 'leica concept', the Bresson ideal. Perhaps, the X1? I hope so. Â - Charlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted December 6, 2009 Share #40 Â Posted December 6, 2009 Â So, I'm hoping that this follows the old 'leica concept', the Bresson ideal. Perhaps, the X1? I hope so. Â I think this is what we are all hoping for! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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