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M9--Some initial thoughs

noah_addis

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jaapv

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Interesting... Could you elaborate on the reasons for this? Or post a link to that initial thread assuming you exposed your reasoning there?

 

Thanks,

 

I reported on it after the meeting with Stefan Daniel in Hessenpark It was the first indication that a FF M was on the way. He told me that tests by Leica had shown that the theory that focussing would be simpler was correct.

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Chris_R

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Noah

 

Your work is fantastic. I have visited your existing website a few times and been amazed. I am looking forward for this new website.

 

Sometimes we worry to much that a little paint might get chipped on our cameras and less about what we can do with them. Your images remind us what is possible with a

camera and how lucky we are to be in a situation that we can worry about paint chips.

 

Thank you for that.

 

Best Regards

 

Chris R

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melissah

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noah this work is outstanding! to the mods, i can understand why you might want noah to post in photo forum, but lets be fair and consider his time. traveling, shooting editing and posting. then re-posting?

for me i dont care where he posts just as long as he continues to post.

also i think that having the images here is more teaching in that we can discuss settings post, and other issues that come up.

again some of the best work ive seen here.

best melissa

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noah this work is outstanding! to the mods, i can understand why you might want noah to post in photo forum, but lets be fair and consider his time. traveling, shooting editing and posting. then re-posting?

for me i dont care where he posts just as long as he continues to post.

also i think that having the images here is more teaching in that we can discuss settings post, and other issues that come up.

again some of the best work ive seen here.

best melissa

 

Melissah, i read what you say but you need to appreciate the way in which the Forum is set up and needs to function. Essentially, images 'per se' must be in one of the dedicated fora for that purpose, partly for bandwidth reasons. There is no difficulty in switching to them to spend time in depth with images. Images are tolerated in the 'technical' sections provided they demostrate some technical or related point that needs illustration. Failure to supervise this would make our (the mods) life untenable. Even Noahs image posts here will probably bring criticism that we will be forced to defend. I do agree, they are exceptional and welcome them in this case. never let it be said we are "not reasonable." ;)

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noah_addis

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Thanks everyone for the kind words.

 

I respect the format of the forum and understand most photos are to be posted in the photo section. I thought that I needed some illustration to back up my points about the M9's handling of contrast, the look of the DOF and the general feel of the images. I know by including so many I was pushing the rules a bit far, but also, in a way, wanted to show the diverse looks you can get with one specific camera and lens.

 

If I merely wanted to share my work I have websites and other forums for that, and yes, in the future I will try to post more to the photo forums here. But these were just a few quick images I grabbed out of my folders to illustrate (I hope) my points about working with the camera.

 

Erl--I hope my posting doesn't cause you to have to defend yourself. I intended the photos to illustrate my thoughts and I thank you for understanding my intentions.

 

SMB--I never counted, but I tended to shoot 16-24MB per day in uncompressed DNG and never used more than two batteries, usually I finished the day with my second battery at around 50%.

 

Now back to editing:D.

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Hello Noah!

For me you are one of the forum members who I'm always pleased to read. I read your opinions carefully and I learn always something.

Your photography is incredible great and for me, it shows the direction to try to follow.

I agree completely with your m9 opinion. This camera is incredible and is a big step for photographers who enjoy the essence of photography.

Just one more thing. Sometimes photography is a matter of limits.My admired Cartier Bresson improved his limits using the trix 400 iso. Could you imagine if he had had so really nice iso 800?

Kind Regards

Miguel

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I reported on it after the meeting with Stefan Daniel in Hessenpark.... He told me that tests by Leica had shown that the theory that focussing would be simpler was correct.

 

Jaap--

This is one of the things that make Leica special. From what you were told, Leica actually tested the idea instead of simply reporting it theoretically.

 

Thanks for the reminder! And to Noah, Erl and Andy as well for the confirmation! ;)

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Which adds up to about 1000x images per day...... Wow.

 

I would dread the thought of processing such an amount of pictures - or do you have a room filled with minions? Presumably you use a fast pre-screeneing to crop to a more manageable amount.

 

Any idea on your shutter count? I guess this indicates a very high reliability.

 

EDIT: and I really like the photos esp. no.5

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noah_addis

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The uncompressed DNG files are 34MB each, so, for example, on one of my busier days I shot 27GB which was around 870 photos. A lighter day was 16BG for 490 photos. In the beginning I was shooting DNG + JPEG (for the B&W preview) but I gave that up after the first two days. Also one day, for aerials, I did shoot a few dozen frames with the M8.

 

No roomful of minions, though maybe I should look into getting a few:D

 

My workflow is to ingest the disks at the end of each night into a daily folder ( I currently use 4GB Extreme III Cards, which is why I want faster formatting, it's a lot of cards!). I ingest the photos into my laptop with photomechanic, which attaches basic caption and copyright info, keywords, etc.

 

I then copy that daily folder onto two separate external hard drives. Sometimes I'll do more detailed captions right away, sometimes I wait until I get home which allows me to get more sleep and/or go out and have a beer with the locals, etc. This was a short trip so I waited and did captioning yesterday once I was home.

 

Next I'll edit in photo mechanic to create a loose edit. Depending on how large that is I'll either do another round of cutting OR just send all of them to my agency and archive site.

 

I'll use C1PRO to do my conversions, and with the M9 I no longer have to interpolate to get the 50MB files for the agency, so that process should be streamlined.

 

Then from my loose agency/archive site edit I'll cut it to 20-30 photos for my website, editorial submissions, contest entries, gallery shows, etc.

 

I do save my entire take, though during the editing process I may decide to delete some really bad/accidental photos. Everything is on my computer hard drive, an attached RAID drive and another external drive that can (should) be stored offsite.

 

My agency loose edit is backed up additionally by two sets of DVDs and another external HD, and it's also stored on PhotoShelter.

 

I spend more time behind the computer than I do shooting, which isn't ideal but is necessary. And even if I shot film, it would be the same since I'd still have to scan, caption, archive, etc.

 

The camera has about 5000 actuations so far, obviously most of them on this trip. I would hardly call that enough to declare the camera reliable. I'm not saying it's NOT reliable, just that 5000 photos is not large enough to tell.

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noah_addis

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I'd like to let this thread die as I only now noticed my typo in the title:D

 

But I feel like I need to post an update to set the record straight. I initially had not noticed any of the left-side color cast that others have mentioned.

 

Now that I'm home and working on a proper monitor, I have noticed the color cast, and it's quite a problem. Thankfully I shot most of my work with the 35mm which does not produce the color cast.

 

With my coded 21 Elmarit ASPH and to a lesser extent my coded 28 Summicron ASPH, I have found a very noticeable red color cast on the left side of my photographs.

 

While I present my work in Black and White most of the time, my agency work and other photos for clients are delivered in color, so this is a rather unwelcome development.

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charlesphoto99

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A fantastic real world perspective. A nice change from the usual car show pictures we usually get from the release of a new camera. Makes me confident in the imminent (anyday now Leica!!#@$%) purchase of my new car...ummm new camera.

 

Bummer about the red edges. I'm really looking forward to my 24 being a 24 again. Thank god for Cornerfix though I sure hope Leica is working on a fix of their own.

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