andybarton Posted July 10, 2009 Share #61 Posted July 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) All the guts of an R9 would need changing to accommodate a FF sensor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nikau Posted July 10, 2009 Share #62 Posted July 10, 2009 Another Yes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted July 10, 2009 Author Share #63 Posted July 10, 2009 Have a look at Lawrence Beck's hummingbird photos at DMR Image Thread Thanks for that link Doug. I tested an R9/DMR on my 800/5.6 a few years back. It back focussed. This was the best matched set available in the country. I worked out that I'd need to shim the viewfinder (though it would be out for film then) or the sensor. I decided to wait for the R10 (with it's factory set viewfinder/sensor calibration) and got pretty enthusiastic last Fotokina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted July 10, 2009 Share #64 Posted July 10, 2009 I tested an R9/DMR on my 800/5.6 a few years back. It back focussed. This was the best matched set available in the country. My strategy has been to purchase used units where the previous owner had worked out such issues. My backup R8/DMR arrived yesterday and its focus is as accurate as the first one (also purchased used). Also --- for me, having used the DMR, switching back to film is a very low priority. YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted July 10, 2009 Share #65 Posted July 10, 2009 I knew that F mode flash metering worked with the DMR, but Through The Lens Off The Film (TTL OTF)? That's news. I'd read Leica's guidance that the reflectivity of the Kodak sensor was not consistent with film and so TTL flash metering wouldn't be reliable. But hey, if real users are getting results ... It often seems that Leica's warnings about incompatibility are meant to keep us from finding the .01% of the cases where things don't work as they ought to. I view their cautions and restrictions as a personal challenge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted July 10, 2009 Author Share #66 Posted July 10, 2009 My strategy has been to purchase used units where the previous owner had worked out such issues Yes, I went down the same route. The best matching that could be achieved at the service centre was then tested with my 800, but was still out. There may have been the odd DMR/R8-9 combo out there that was proven with an 800 and converters and then offered for sale, but I missed them. This was shot with an 800 and 1.4 adapter. Yellow Robin on nest I did hear through proper channels in 2006 that Solms had a shimming solution available for mis-aligned body/DMR combos. But I opted to wait for the full frame one piece solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted July 11, 2009 Share #67 Posted July 11, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, would have bought an R10 (have bought two R9s in past 3 months!). I'll also buy an S2 if they come up with a way to mount R glass. Probably buy one regardless. Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicaman94044 Posted July 11, 2009 Share #68 Posted July 11, 2009 Yes. One and possibly two as I need a backup. Invested heavily in the long APO glass as I trusted that Leica was serious about an R10. Would have the mounts converted for use on the Sony A900 were it not for the fact that I'd have to switch back for the DMR. Too much hassle. When the DMR croaks... the Sony will be the ticket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4X5B&W Posted July 11, 2009 Share #69 Posted July 11, 2009 Yes, providing the size and price was reasonable. While I am enjoying my M8, having a compact sized digital body for my R glass is very important to me. Don't know where this line of thinking (or lack of) by Leica, is going. It is hard to not be upset. Oh well, I think concentrating on shooting Kodachrome with my R6 will take my mind of this disappointment for the next year or so. However, the R glass is just too good to not have a digital future moving forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackaubrey Posted July 11, 2009 Share #70 Posted July 11, 2009 Yes, as I have invested a lot of money in some really fabulous R lenses that would have produced stunning results with a matched Leica Full Frame DSLR. I will probably now buy the new Hasselblad Digital CFV-39 Back for my 203FE and use my other quality german (Carl Zeiss) lenses - this will be a cheaper option for me than investing in the S2. There is also the Sony A900 with Carl Zeiss Lenses again. I do really wish Leica would think again about the R10 - perhaps we could all purchase one as 'subscribers' to convince Leica to develop the camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PwoS Posted July 11, 2009 Share #71 Posted July 11, 2009 Yes probably, if the price bracket would be roughly comparable to Nikon's D3/D3x or Canon's EOS 1Ds Series. Initially I hoped for a price between EUR 4.0000 and EUR 5.000,- similar to that of the current M8/M8.2 (though this turned out to be to optimistic, according to Stephan Daniel's speech). For me it would have been perfectly fine if the R10 had resembled a kind of digital version of the former R5 (or even R6.2) in terms of features and size/weight. I wouldn't have insisted for it to be autofocus. Now that the whole thing has been cancelled I feel very frustrated and pxxxxd off to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted July 11, 2009 Author Share #72 Posted July 11, 2009 Yes, as I have invested a lot of money in some really fabulous R lenses that would have produced stunning results with a matched Leica Full Frame DSLR. I will probably now buy the new Hasselblad Digital CFV-39 Back for my 203FE and use my other quality german (Carl Zeiss) lenses - this will be a cheaper option for me than investing in the S2. There is also the Sony A900 with Carl Zeiss Lenses again. I do really wish Leica would think again about the R10 - perhaps we could all purchase one as 'subscribers' to convince Leica to develop the camera? Jack, a nice summary of the situation. These amazing Leica R lenses are screaming out for a full frame solution of the Leica kind. Kodak CCD sensor, no AA filter, ... (DMR users - please add to the list). Re the Sony A900 - I asked David at Leitax if he could put an R bayonet mount onto a Sony or Nikon body. Might suit people better than modifying each lens - which could still be used on Leica bodies then. If a few others were to ask him he might feel encouraged to look into it. Might not suit his business model though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicamr Posted July 12, 2009 Share #73 Posted July 12, 2009 Certainly - if it cost the same or less than an M8.2 (i.e £4,000 or less). I'd been waiting patiently to use my 21-35 Vario-Elmar at its full potential. Probably - if it cost between £4,000 and £6,000 - although it would have meant trading in my M8 and lens set. Instead, I'm having to order a Nikon D700 with 24-70 f2.8 and a Voigtlander 20mm AIS, to get the full-frame, wide angle capability I need, and my DMR, R8, 21-35 and 28-90 will go in in part exchange... The Leica 15mm super Elmar or Elmarit provides a 20.5mm lens used with a DMR. The purchase cost of the super Elmar is cheaper than a Nikon / Voightlander solution. No doubt somebody will now advise me that the Voightlander will blow the Elmar away! But my Elmar produces very nice results on my DMR. It certainly is no slouch. I would never sell my 2 x DMR's and R glass for a full frame 'other brand' solution. When I see the detail on the DMR screen of an image taken with a 19mm Elmarit, my Nikon D300 / 24- 70 f2.8 just doesn't come close. The D300 LCD screen maybe bigger and of a higher resolution, but you wouldn't think so compared to the visible detail on the DMR screen. Non TTL Flash, I have never had any major problems with the DMR. When I use bounce flash on the Nikon D300 / SB 800, it is sometimes well off the mark and requires compensation. I would have bought an R10, but the money has now gone on a second DMR now fitted to an R9. I hope that my R system will last me my life time. Should the R bodies and DMR's fail I will have to worry about the problem should it happen. Maybe Leica will have produced a solution by then. I certainly hope so, for the future success of Leica. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrice Posted July 12, 2009 Share #74 Posted July 12, 2009 Yes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdb Posted July 12, 2009 Share #75 Posted July 12, 2009 YES, certainly. I was waiting for it. But at the present times, I am very happy with my DMR. Autofocus would certainly be a plus, as TTL flash metering. But I want to keep and use my R lenses for what they have been designed for (which means 24x36). This does not mean that I wouldn't carry on with new AF lenses. But I do not see the necessity for a new format. (ie new bayonet, new standard focal distances, new expenses, for a very similar result...) The S2 is certainly interesting. But I refuse to buy new and more expensive lenses that would only allow me to do what I am doing with my actual lenses. It seems irrelevant to me.... Why re-invent the wheel? Just my opinion... Gérard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackaubrey Posted July 12, 2009 Share #76 Posted July 12, 2009 Re the Sony A900 - I asked David at Leitax if he could put an R bayonet mount onto a Sony or Nikon body. Might suit people better than modifying each lens - which could still be used on Leica bodies then. If a few others were to ask him he might feel encouraged to look into it. Might not suit his business model though. Hi Rick, I would be very interested if Leitax developed an R bayonet camera body mount for the D3X or A900 as I do not wish to tamper with my R lenses. This may even provide for full aperture metering (perhaps wishful thinking here). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 12, 2009 Share #77 Posted July 12, 2009 ...This may even provide for full aperture metering... How would it be possible? Any idea? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted July 12, 2009 Share #78 Posted July 12, 2009 How would it be possible? Any idea? The Nikon and Leica bayonets, aperture rings and aperture actuating levers all work in opposite senses, so if possible at all it would take major change to the internal mechanisms of the Nikon body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted July 12, 2009 Author Share #79 Posted July 12, 2009 What about installing a small motor in the R lens to close the aperture, powered and activated by the Canon, Nikon or Sony body's signal to its own brand lens' aperture motors? I took a look at my R lenses this morning to if this could be done. It'd have to be quite a compact little motor! But they're around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted July 12, 2009 Share #80 Posted July 12, 2009 What about installing a small motor in the R lens to close the aperture, powered and activated by the Canon, Nikon or Sony body's signal to its own brand lens' aperture motors? I took a look at my R lenses this morning to if this could be done. It'd have to be quite a compact little motor! But they're around. Many of the newer R lenses are built with a separate flange/aperture module that can easily be replaced with a module with the small motor as you've imagined. The only trick is to get someone to make the replacement module. The lenses that are the best candidates for this module replacement appear to have ten screws holding the flange to the lens (280 f/4 APO for example). In reality, there are six screws holding the flange to the module and four holding the module to the rest of the lens. The only communication between the module and the rest of the lens is a lever that operates the aperture. The lever's swing is linear, i.e., it travels through an equal arc per f/stop no matter where it is on the scale, unlike pre-AIS Nikkors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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