lct Posted February 19, 2009 Share #61 Posted February 19, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...13422 UV Filter for 18mm : 165,- € You mean UV/IR filter i guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 19, 2009 Posted February 19, 2009 Hi lct, Take a look here Leica m 3.8/18 super-elmar. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Philippe D. Posted February 19, 2009 Share #62 Posted February 19, 2009 You mean UV/IR filter i guess.Yes, this is the ref. n° for the UV/IR filter. Quite a lot of money for a piece of glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 19, 2009 Share #63 Posted February 19, 2009 Yes, this is the ref. n° for the UV/IR filter. Quite a lot of money for a piece of glass. Given its colour must be a glass of Romanée Conti. They should add IS to their lenses at Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mym6is12 Posted February 19, 2009 Share #64 Posted February 19, 2009 www.imx.nl/photo/leica/lenses/page142/SEM18_part1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhoersch Posted February 19, 2009 Share #65 Posted February 19, 2009 (Deleted) Bill (s'cuse: Wilson) Waidlaw is right - the official spec sheet is up at the Leica web site and the Super-Elmar requires the 77mm filter adapter. [more edit] from the leica page/pdf "UV/ IR Filter: For LEICA M8 models there is a special UV/ IR filter (item no. 13 422), which is mounted between the lens and the lens hood." Still no precise size given. ----------------------------------------------- Deal-killer... Leica, let me give you a word of advice. The "unique selling proposition" of the Leica M is compact size - otherwise why would we put up with all the obvious weaknesses compared to SLRs? If I want SLR-sized lenses (and a lens that requires a 77mm filter falls in that category) - I'll just get an SLR. The Leica-M needs to get back to its roots: 39mm filters for general use, 46 for high-speed lenses, and a maximum filter size of 48/49mm (somehow the 21 Super-Angulons and 90 'crons of the 1960s-70s managed to work with no larger filters) Especially for an f/3.8 lens. A 21 Elmarit is a longer focal length, with a larger relative and absolute aperture, and STILL manages to fit into a 55mm filter size. Design target - all lenses take smaller-than-50mm filters unless the absolute aperture requires more (e.g. Noctilux) I couldn't agree more! I have a 2kg APO-Telyt-R 1:4/280 with filter size 77mm! I find that filter size absolutely ridiculous for an M lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted February 19, 2009 Share #66 Posted February 19, 2009 www.imx.nl/photo/leica/lenses/page142/SEM18_part1 from the linked Puts review : "The design of the mount is now based on the approach that components should be manufactured with the necessary tolerances of the parts machined before assembly takes place. This limits the amount of manual adjustments and part selection and ensures a consistent high level of quality." Having a certain experience in precision mechanic shops, it seems to me almost incredible that only "now" Leica uses this methodology... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted February 20, 2009 Share #67 Posted February 20, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Having a certain experience in precision mechanic shops, it seems to me almost incredible that only "now" Leica uses this methodology... AFIK in the past the required tolerances could not be machined reliably at an (more or less) affordable cost, now they can but this is a recent deveopment. If I understand corrrectly the tolerances for positioning some lens elements are in the (sub) micrometer range. In former days this was dealt with by hand selection/marriage of machined parts. So your comment is valid in general but if they could they would have long ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted February 20, 2009 Share #68 Posted February 20, 2009 ... Looking at the distortion diagram, this lens seems to have similar characteristics there to the WATE as well.... Geoff-- Similar but less. About 2.5% at 18 mm for the WATE, just under 2% for the Super-Elmar. The "effective distortion" diagrams look quite different to me. And the MTF curves are much flatter for the SE. Looks to me (so far) like a superb performer! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted February 20, 2009 Share #69 Posted February 20, 2009 It is simply too bad that we can't see its extreme performance at the corners on a digital body ... the 1.33x cropping M8 is really doing a disservice to Leica's optics. On a side note, the 18/3.5 seems to be pretty high on the forum's wish list at least for the past couple of years - but people STILL complain. Now folks at Solms must have learned what's an Internet forum's 2 penny worth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted February 20, 2009 Share #70 Posted February 20, 2009 sdai: Perhaps we just need to be more specific about things that, on the face of them, are standard operating practice for other manufacturers, and used to be standard and expected operating prctice for Leica; Such as: 1. Using filters and using lens hoods are separate creative choices of the photographer. The use of the one should not REQUIRE the use of the other. 2. f/3.8 does not equal f/3.5 (or f/2.8 which is what at least half the "wishers" asked for) 3. Leica M lenses should always be scaled to Leica M bodies. I recognize that aperture speed, digital sensors, and ttl metering all work against compactness - but solving that equation successfully is what we pay Leica to do. Look - the Super-Elmar is clearly a very good piece of optical design. I don't want to take anything away from that. The build and smoothness of operation are no doubt sensual. If used on a film camera with no filters, it is probably the best 18mm in existence, in a compact size, and at a decent price. On the M8 with IR filters, it is a kludgy "24mm" with a maximum aperture that would have been embarassing 40 years ago (I know - I had a pentax screwmount 24 f/3.5 in 1973 - pretty slow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe D. Posted February 20, 2009 Share #71 Posted February 20, 2009 I'm curious to know what frame pair does this Super-Elmar open in the viewfinder. The 28-90 like the WATE, or another ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 20, 2009 Share #72 Posted February 20, 2009 I'm curious to know what frame pair does this Super-Elmar open in the viewfinder.The 28-90 like the WATE, or another ? Philippe, It is not wholly clear in the Leica information but I think it implies it is the 24/35 frames. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe D. Posted February 20, 2009 Share #73 Posted February 20, 2009 I think it implies it is the 24/35 frames.Wilson, i guess you say that to make me a great pleasure. Anyway, i have to go to Oberkochen soon... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted February 20, 2009 Share #74 Posted February 20, 2009 2. f/3.8 does not equal f/3.5 (or f/2.8 which is what at least half the "wishers" asked for) I don't know, I thought the consensus for this 'missing' lens was for a low cost (in Leica terms) 18mm/F4. Clearly they have delivered on the lens but I'm not sure that £2k plus £125 for the filter (plus £500 if you want the optional viewfinder) is what I wan't to pay for a lens of this spec. 18mm (EFOV 24mm) is too much of an occasional use lens for me to justify the kind of price that I paid for a 35mm Summilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted February 20, 2009 Share #75 Posted February 20, 2009 Actually, I thought that the lens price WAS rather low cost (in Leica terms). Don't know when you got the 35 f/1.4, but the U.S. price today - with a strong dollar - for a 35 'lux is $4200. Which seems to be about 2800 sterling - or 50% higher than the Super-Elmar, lens for lens. You're right that the "options" are always what get us. But if you seek low cost, there are always voigtlander 25mm finders or even used Leica 24 plastic finders for 200 pounds or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted February 20, 2009 Share #76 Posted February 20, 2009 Actually, I thought that the lens price WAS rather low cost (in Leica terms). Don't know when you got the 35 f/1.4, but the U.S. price today - with a strong dollar - for a 35 'lux is $4200. Which seems to be about 2800 sterling - or 50% higher than the Super-Elmar, lens for lens. I guess, being that slow I was expecting it to come in a bit closer to the £1350 of the new 24/F3.8. If you'd asked me to predict the cost I'd have said £1500 or so. The 35/F1.4 is still listed at one of the popular UK dealers at around £2200 (before 15% rebate) which is why I see both lenses having the same "kind of price". I'm actually still vaguely interested in this lens because I do have an occasional need for a wider lens than my usual 28/35/50 selection. From a selfish perspective (knowing the way that I would use a slowish wide-angle like a 18mm - i.e. often bolted to a tripod) I would have been even more interested in an 18/F4.5 if it meant a price closer to that of the new 24mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
courlis Posted March 3, 2009 Share #77 Posted March 3, 2009 Many asked for a "cheaper" ultra wide lens, and actually the 21 is the equiv. FOV of 28 on the M8, and it's not even cheap.Anyway, a 21 is a 21, and an 18mm lens is a totally different creative tool IMHO. Many members found the WATE a good lens but not that practical because of the need to select the angle and correction on the menu. That's why many seemed to ask for such a lens. Well for a forest engineer like me who take a lot of pictures from forest stands and forest trees it is a good lens if you wish to take pictures of trees from the root system until the far end of the crown... How more you need to shoot from far how more you may have "polution" with branches and twigs from other trees... Best wishes Géry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
courlis Posted March 3, 2009 Share #78 Posted March 3, 2009 Many asked for a "cheaper" ultra wide lens, and actually the 21 is the equiv. FOV of 28 on the M8, and it's not even cheap.Anyway, a 21 is a 21, and an 18mm lens is a totally different creative tool IMHO. Many members found the WATE a good lens but not that practical because of the need to select the angle and correction on the menu. That's why many seemed to ask for such a lens. Well for a forest engineer like me who take a lot of pictures from forest stands and forest trees, the 18 mm (= 21 mm mounted on an M8) it is a good lens if you wish to take pictures of trees from the root system until the far end of the crown... How more you need to shoot from far how more you may have "polution" with branches and twigs from other trees... Best wishes Géry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe D. Posted March 3, 2009 Share #79 Posted March 3, 2009 the 18 mm (= 21 mm mounted on an M8)Géry, you get a similar angle view as a 24mm with the 18 on M8.A 15mm = 21mm approx. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted March 3, 2009 Share #80 Posted March 3, 2009 Philippe, It is not wholly clear in the Leica information but I think it implies it is the 24/35 frames. Wilson I didn't specifically check this but IIRC 24/35 is correct. It seems from the instruction book that there are two different filter sizes for this lens. For all models 77mm size is possible with the optionally available filter holder which is screwed on instead of the lens hood. For the M8 there is a special UV/IR filter that screws onto the lens and the hood then screws onto the filter. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! For those interested and within reach of London, Red Dot Cameras have the lens on demo 5-7 March (Thursday to Saturday this week). (Photo by C-Lux2) Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! For those interested and within reach of London, Red Dot Cameras have the lens on demo 5-7 March (Thursday to Saturday this week). (Photo by C-Lux2) ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/76706-leica-m-3818-super-elmar/?do=findComment&comment=827515'>More sharing options...
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