mustafasoleiman Posted November 12, 2008 Share #1 Posted November 12, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) We keep nagging Leica for a FF on the M8... but the birth of a new format in the S2 makes me think that Leica has decided the old 24x36 frame, which they basically fathered over a century ago, is dead. Could it be that they are telling us that the M8 and S2 frames are the new children of FF, and the way to go for compact DRFs and normal size DSLRs. It seems to me that we are the 21st Century version of the photographers of the early 20th Century, nagging about the lesser quality of the new Leicas in relation to the older formats. Leica has taken the pragmatic route of size for quality (the same as the original Barnack's idea) and as a side show, taken the DSLR and reinvented it, squeezing the most in the opposite direction. maybe this is it folks... The King is dead, long live the M8 and S2! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted November 12, 2008 Share #2 Posted November 12, 2008 I don't think the 135 format is dead. I think the final Leica lineup will be: M-system 1.33 crop R-system 24x36 S-system S-format Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted November 12, 2008 Share #3 Posted November 12, 2008 The S system is not a replacement for a '35mm' SLR, its to compete with larger format systems such as Mamiya and Hasselblad. Its a new direction for Leica but not a reinvention of the standard DSLR system. Leica have already said that they are working on a digital R camera which everyone expects to be 'full frame'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trs Posted November 12, 2008 Share #4 Posted November 12, 2008 Just wishful thinking here, I think Leica will release M9 with 24x36 and recocking lever in few years. Hard problems are there to be solved. So, I am hoping Leica folks are challenging themself to get 24x36 sensor into M body, maybe two person team or something like that is hard at work to surprise us. -Tanka Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhulsenbeek Posted November 12, 2008 Share #5 Posted November 12, 2008 It seems to me that we are the 21st Century version of the photographers of the early 20th Century, nagging about the lesser quality of the new Leicas in relation to the older formats. The King is dead, long live the M8 and S2! Wisely said! You may be right. In the meanwhile, I am happy with my silent M8u Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-25 Posted November 12, 2008 Share #6 Posted November 12, 2008 It seems to me that we are the 21st Century version of the photographers of the early 20th Century, nagging about the lesser quality of the new Leicas in relation to the older formats. Nope. Give it a couple years, the proper size will return. Leica did not make fast $6,000 21 & 24mm lenses for a 1.33 sensor, they made it for a proper sized 24x36mm sensor that is now becoming much more common by other camera makers. In order to make this fabled smaller M, the lens mount would have to shrink. That would be like having a foot transplant to be able to fit into a smaller shoe, not too smart, eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafasoleiman Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share #7 Posted November 13, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Nope. Give it a couple years, the proper size will return. Leica did not make fast $6,000 21 & 24mm lenses for a 1.33 sensor, they made it for a proper sized 24x36mm sensor that is now becoming much more common by other camera makers. In order to make this fabled smaller M, the lens mount would have to shrink. That would be like having a foot transplant to be able to fit into a smaller shoe, not too smart, eh? Maybe, Leica is still making lenses for the film M cameras as well, so I am not sure that this would be much of a reassurance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted November 13, 2008 Share #8 Posted November 13, 2008 ALL Leica M lenses are made for their M film cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafasoleiman Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share #9 Posted November 13, 2008 The S system is not a replacement for a '35mm' SLR, its to compete with larger format systems such as Mamiya and Hasselblad. Its a new direction for Leica but not a reinvention of the standard DSLR system. Leica have already said that they are working on a digital R camera which everyone expects to be 'full frame'. Why would the S system not be a replacement for the 35mm SLR? It is pretty much the same size and form factor, so I would think that a Nikon/Canon user would be more interested in it than a Hasselblad/Mamiya user who has to make a quantum leap change to the S. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafasoleiman Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share #10 Posted November 13, 2008 ALL Leica M lenses are made for their M film cameras. My point exactly, thank you! Couldn't say it better myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 13, 2008 Share #11 Posted November 13, 2008 Why would the S system not be a replacement for the 35mm SLR?... Because it is bigger that 135 and existing lenses don't fit no? I would have asked the opposite question personally. How long this S system will take to become obsolete? Same problem as 4/3 IMHO. Either too small or too big to me. But i may be wrong of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted November 13, 2008 Share #12 Posted November 13, 2008 Why would the S system not be a replacement for the 35mm SLR? It is pretty much the same size and form factor, so I would think that a Nikon/Canon user would be more interested in it than a Hasselblad/Mamiya user who has to make a quantum leap change to the S. Its a larger camera, with a larger sensor, the lenses are larger, it offers focal plane and leaf shutters, the lenses are larger/slower..........it's clearly aimed at the medium format pro market. I don't think it will become obsolete - it's really like a digital Pentax 6X7. 4/3 is totally different, maybe it was a good idea at the time but things have moved on and its hard to see why anyone would buy into it now IMHO. Even the micro 4/3 systems seem pointless, the Panasonic G1 is substantially more expensive than a Nikon D60 - for example - and really not much smaller. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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