j_lir Posted November 5, 2008 Share #41 Posted November 5, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) whoops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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j_lir Posted November 5, 2008 Share #42 Posted November 5, 2008 This thread is silly. I have had an M8.2 loaned to me by Leica since Photokina. I have had several of these shutter faults. The faults have occurred with fresh batteries in all stages of charge in all different settings. Last night these shutter faults caused me to miss frames. I'm Pissed! I was covering the Obama rally here in Chicago and wanted to use the M8.2 because of the smoother shutter for low light shooting. I had probably 20 times in the course of capturing 600 frames on one SDHC Card. This was ridiculous, I missed to many shots. I could switch to my other body while the buffer was clearing, but This really messed up my night for me and this is a night that will never come again! Also I had banding of a sort of which I have never seen, horizontal banding in landscape orientation of blue streaks like stripes across the frame. Bogus at best for this piece of $6300 crap! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasimir Posted November 5, 2008 Share #43 Posted November 5, 2008 Also I had banding of a sort of which I have never seen, horizontal banding in landscape orientation of blue streaks like stripes across the frame. Sure the stripes weren't red? Sorry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 5, 2008 Share #44 Posted November 5, 2008 This thread is silly. I have had an M8.2 loaned to me by Leica since Photokina. I have had several of these shutter faults. The faults have occurred with fresh batteries in all stages of charge in all different settings. Last night these shutter faults caused me to miss frames. I'm Pissed! I was covering the Obama rally here in Chicago and wanted to use the M8.2 because of the smoother shutter for low light shooting. I had probably 20 times in the course of capturing 600 frames on one SDHC Card. This was ridiculous, I missed to many shots. I could switch to my other body while the buffer was clearing, but This really messed up my night for me and this is a night that will never come again! Also I had banding of a sort of which I have never seen, horizontal banding in landscape orientation of blue streaks like stripes across the frame. Bogus at best for this piece of $6300 crap! A weird post. Well-connected enough to Leica to get loaned a pre-production M8-2, yet uses this forum for a trollish post instead of picking up the phone like any bona-fide beta tester would, reporting esoteric faults nobody has seen before...:confused: Roel? Iris? Mona? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted November 5, 2008 Share #45 Posted November 5, 2008 Tomasis, Expert? Are you joking about Nhabedi's camera needing to be returned to Solms and, if not, what's your reason for saying so? Pete. of course joke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted November 5, 2008 Share #46 Posted November 5, 2008 A weird post. Well-connected enough to Leica to get loaned a pre-production M8-2, yet uses this forum for a trollish post instead of picking up the phone like any bona-fide beta tester would, reporting esoteric faults nobody has seen before...:confused: Roel? Iris? Mona? Maybe not. Leica has tended in the past to lend out early cameras to celebrities. They are looking for presence, not for beta testers. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted November 5, 2008 Share #47 Posted November 5, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think we should ask Seal... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted November 5, 2008 Share #48 Posted November 5, 2008 Maybe not. Leica has tended in the past to lend out early cameras to celebrities. They are looking for presence, not for beta testers. scott That could mean that j_lir is really Oprah with a crappy M8 at the Obama rally... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted November 5, 2008 Share #49 Posted November 5, 2008 That could mean that j_lir is really Oprah with a crappy M8 at the Obama rally... I saw her crying. I dont know what for? for broken camera or Obama. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_lir Posted November 5, 2008 Share #50 Posted November 5, 2008 not quite.. just annoyed. i do love the m8.2 just wish i had a working copy, this is my sentiment across the board with my m8 experience all together. I like the results too much to leave them behind, but can't stand the little things (well most of the time). anyhow...that's my 2c. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 5, 2008 Share #51 Posted November 5, 2008 I have put him on my ignore list because he has not had a single thing to add to any post. Kind of a semi troll. Shootie's playing with his hip again The guy just expressed some doubts and the trench boys have their frilly knickers in a knot ............ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted November 5, 2008 Share #52 Posted November 5, 2008 ... and the trench boys have their frilly knickers in a knot Not me, Im, I just wanted to clarify whether it was intended as a joke. (Have you been looking up my trouser legs? ) Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted November 6, 2008 Share #53 Posted November 6, 2008 The motor wind is the biggest single drain on the battery and it makes perfect sense to me NOT to cock the shutter after a shot is taken if the battery is close to being fully discharged. The priority is then to capture the image and write it securely to the data card, then shut things down in an ordered way. If the shutter is then not cocked, that's not a problem, it will simply be recocked when a fresh battery is inserted. You might think the battery meter is a linear device like a gas gauge on a car but it's not. The current drain from the battery gets more and more as the charge state declines to maintain a valid operating state with the result that the discharge end-state is really like falling off a cliff. At this point, it would be bad press if they said "sorry, we corrupted your memory card because we ran out of power but at least the shutter was cocked - even though we didn't have enough power for you to make use of it". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
odyocu Posted November 6, 2008 Share #54 Posted November 6, 2008 Nhabedi, You're wrong in one aspect regarding old cars at least. My 1956 VW had no indicators even. Nothing at all. No meters, no nothing. But it had a small lever beside the gas pedal that you turned 90 degrees which gave you an additional reserve volume for about 50 more kms. Maybe M8 can have an additonal lever too. Seyhun If my car is low on fuel, it shows a warning light. Older cars didn't have such a light but they had some kind of meter showing you how much fuel was left approximately. Both ways are fine with me. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 6, 2008 Share #55 Posted November 6, 2008 Nhabedi, You're wrong in one aspect regarding old cars at least. My 1956 VW had no indicators even. Nothing at all. No meters, no nothing. But it had a small lever beside the gas pedal that you turned 90 degrees which gave you an additional reserve volume for about 50 more kms. Maybe M8 can have an additonal lever too. Seyhun The original Citroen and the VW did have a dipstick for petrol, though. Maybe Leica could implement that on the M8 as well, as a pull-out strap lug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhabedi Posted November 25, 2008 Author Share #56 Posted November 25, 2008 Just as an update (I'm the one who started this thread), I've recently used the M8.2 full-time for a week in Tokyo and I didn't have any significant problems with it. There was one occasion where I suddenly saw "shutter fault" again, but it turned out that either pulling the camera out of the bag or switching it on in a hurry had resulted in putting the main switch exactly between "S" and "C". Also, I'm using one of Luigi's half cases with the rear door closed most of the time. In one case I managed to accidentally set the camera to JPG-only output although I usually shoot DNGs. I only realized this after I had taken several shots. These aren't big issues, but I'm now checking the settings of the camera more often than I think I should. I don't think I ever had to do that with the M4-P. If Leica could come up with mechanical controls that are harder to move accidentally and with a way to "lock" the electronic controls on the rear side, that'd be a welcome improvement. Anyway, using the M8.2 has been a great experience 99.9% of the time and I certainly don't regret buying it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grillo Posted November 25, 2008 Share #57 Posted November 25, 2008 All this could be solved with a manual shutter recock lever, that could also be used to recharge the battery.... Maybe an idea to consider for the M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 25, 2008 Share #58 Posted November 25, 2008 After having gotten close to RSI syndrome in my wrists through the use of wind-up torches in the past month I cannot see the manual recharge option as very appealing. If you want a manual recock though, just buy a DMR.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Villain Posted November 25, 2008 Share #59 Posted November 25, 2008 Sure the stripes weren't red? Sorry LOL! Also, be careful...Obama's halo can produce lens flare Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhabedi Posted November 25, 2008 Author Share #60 Posted November 25, 2008 After having gotten close to RSI syndrome in my wrists through the use of wind-up torches in the past month I cannot see the manual recharge option as very appealing. As I already said in another thread, I like the idea - see also the Epson RD-1. I've used analog Leicas for fifteen years and I never had problems with RSI syndrome nor have I seen an "Analog Leicas cause RSI syndrome" thread so far... If you want a manual recock though, just buy a DMR.... Do they sell DMRs for M Leicas now? Do they still sell DMRs at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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