kenneth Posted November 4, 2008 Share #1 Posted November 4, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) On recommendations from members of this forum I put some Kodak 400 asa C-41 film in my M6 and shot the roll. I had it processed by Jessop's yesterday and the 7 x 5 borderless gloss prints contain a decidedly greenish tone in the shadow detail on architecture shots, Some if the shots taken this weekend in Hebers Ghyll which is a deep ravine coming off Rombalds Moor near Ilkley seem to have a sepia cast in the sunlit areas. Surely the Fuji machines that Jessop's use have a facility to dial in black and white? Not being one to give in at the first hurdle I bought a roll of Fuji Neopan CN 400 asa which is also C-41 film but made under license for Fuji by Ilford in the UK Q Should I ask to have the film re- printed to try and loose the colour cast? Qhas anyone experience of Fuji Neopan CN 400 asa Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tgray Posted November 4, 2008 Share #2 Posted November 4, 2008 It's normal. It's just careless printing. I've gotten color casts on all the C41 B&W films (Kodak and Ilford) I've had scanned; yes, it shows up in the scans too. I personally just leave it or convert to grayscale in photoshop. *Then* I go and get prints made... You might be able to get them reprinted for free if you ask and explain what they did wrong, but then again, it might be more trouble than its worth trying to explain what they did wrong to them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted November 4, 2008 Share #3 Posted November 4, 2008 Kenneth, They are almost certainly digital prints, the machine will process the film then scan/print, which will often result in B&W prints with a slight cast. If you're unhappy ask them to reprint and try to adjust the tones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted November 4, 2008 Share #4 Posted November 4, 2008 You might be able to get them reprinted for free if you ask and explain what they did wrong, but then again, it might be more trouble than its worth trying to explain what they did wrong to them. .....and you'll probably end up with scratched and fingerprint smudged negs in the process. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted November 4, 2008 Share #5 Posted November 4, 2008 The Fuji Frontierlab machine process (which Jessops use) is a hybrid analogue/digital affair. The negatives are scanned, and then chemical photographic colour paper is exposed using some sort of laser process. The colour paper is then chemically developed as usual. Getting a neutral black and white balance is a question of whether the settings are correct. I suspect that Jessops will just have a default setting which they use to bung through anything that comes into the shop (usually therefore colour material). In your position I think I would go back and ask for a reprint, with the machine set up properly to give a neutral ("truly monochrome") "colour balance". I moved away from Jessops to a good independent local lab (the former's quality was at times disgraceful). The people I now use said simply that the Frontierlab machine was a sophisticated device, and no way would a general shop assistant with very little specialist training get the best out of it. Their exact extression was: "Could you just get in to an F1 Grand Prix car and drive it properly?". Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted November 4, 2008 Share #6 Posted November 4, 2008 I moved away from Jessops to a good independent local lab (the former's quality was at times disgraceful). The people I now use said simply that the Frontierlab machine was a sophisticated device, and no way would a general shop assistant with very little specialist training get the best out of it. Their exact extression was: "Could you just get in to an F1 Grand Prix car and drive it properly?". Given that most of the staff Jessops seem to employ these days are too young to drive then you're on a non-starter! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted November 4, 2008 Author Share #7 Posted November 4, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Since posting this I have spoken to Fuji as the films processed by Jessop's were on a Fuji processor and guess what. Fuji processing Labs are now based in Leeds (My Home Town) and the offer a fine package of services /www.ccimaging.co.uk/ Lucy at CC Imaging suggested I go back and have the film re-printed and if I get no joy take it into them and they will identify the problem. Of course the great thing, as far as I am concerned, is that they offer 48 hr B&W traditional printing service Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted November 5, 2008 Author Share #8 Posted November 5, 2008 called in to Jessops today and asked them to re-print following prompt from Fuji Processing Labs. The results, perfect, no hint of green or anything else, just B&W Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted November 5, 2008 Share #9 Posted November 5, 2008 As I advised you on the previous thread, your pro lab will be able to print on true b&w paper Interesting that Jessops managed it second time round though Post some of them in the photo section! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterkin101 Posted March 26, 2009 Share #10 Posted March 26, 2009 I've had some variable results via Jessops on both BW400CN and XP-2 Super, some have the casts mentioned. On one occasion though, I had a 36 exp BW400CN processed and Jessops produced some absolutely outstanding results, good as any Pro Lab I've used in the past. But that's the issue, they can be variable in their results, they are charging extra for "Hand Assessed" prints which should be done in any case. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted March 27, 2009 Author Share #11 Posted March 27, 2009 I've had some variable results via Jessops on both BW400CN and XP-2 Super, some have the casts mentioned. On one occasion though, I had a 36 exp BW400CN processed and Jessops produced some absolutely outstanding results, good as any Pro Lab I've used in the past. But that's the issue, they can be variable in their results, they are charging extra for "Hand Assessed" prints which should be done in any case. i am afraid the only answer is to do like I did, and buy a good s/hand enlarger plus chemical/trays and tank and do your own. I have noticed dramatic results already and I have only just started processing after a 25 year lay off. Total outlay under £400 and about as much fun as you can have with your cloths on. But PM m if I can help Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 27, 2009 Share #12 Posted March 27, 2009 Why use C41 b&w, when you go to all the bother of using your own darkroom, Kenneth? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share #13 Posted March 28, 2009 Why use C41 b&w, when you go to all the bother of using your own darkroom, Kenneth? I don't Andy I was just suggesting that doing his own might be his best option which I think is what I said-quote-i am afraid the only answer is to do like I did, and buy a good s/hand enlarger plus chemical/trays and tank and do your own. I have noticed dramatic results already and I have only just started processing after a 25 year lay off. Total outlay under £400 and about as much fun as you can have with your cloths on. But PM m if I can help Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hiles Posted March 28, 2009 Share #14 Posted March 28, 2009 (edited) Why use C41 b&w, when you go to all the bother of using your own darkroom, Kenneth? XP2 and 400CN are fine films and produce outstanding prints on silver-based paper that are the equal of prints from silver films (and in many cases the prints are better, ASA for ASA). It is not a compromise between quality and lazy. C41 processing is nothing more than a pleasant incedental, at least for me. Edited March 28, 2009 by Michael Hiles Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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