RSL Posted August 18, 2008 Share #121 Â Posted August 18, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Place a 2.5kg weight of a camera on your shoulder and after 1 hr. it will look like weighting 5kgs. 2 hrs. later your shoulder will "scream" to throw that thing ASAP, and after that you go looking for your orthopedist. Â I said it once before and I'll say it again: "How did you kids get so puny?" I'm 78 years old and I carry a D2X or a D3 over my shoulder for hours climbing mountain paths below Pikes Peak. Diogenis, before you come to a conclusion like this you should try it first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 19, 2008 Share #122 Â Posted August 19, 2008 So right, Richard. I may be one-and-a half decade younger, but I can still adress most of them as "kids". DMR+long lens equals 3.5 kg's, M8 on the other shoulder, 4-hours hikes in 110 degrees.... Â The whole thread, btw, makes not too much sense to me; Surely the M8 is a camera that is not bought for the image quality of the sensor. Sure, it should be so good that it satisfies expectations, but the main reason for buying into the system is the rangefinder experience - and, let's be fair, a bit of brand mystique. All the rest is secondary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted August 19, 2008 Share #123 Â Posted August 19, 2008 I said it once before and I'll say it again: "How did you kids get so puny?" I'm 78 years old and I carry a D2X or a D3 over my shoulder for hours climbing mountain paths below Pikes Peak. Diogenis, before you come to a conclusion like this you should try it first. Â But I have!!! Which is why I resort to belt cases. Well If I was to be forced to do it I guess I would do it, but not without complaints. But there is an option: the m8.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted August 19, 2008 Share #124 Â Posted August 19, 2008 But I have!!!Which is why I resort to belt cases. Well If I was to be forced to do it I guess I would do it, but not without complaints. But there is an option: the m8.. Â I have to agree that weight is not really an issue IMO. Hike up a mountain with a praglider backpack of 15kg and you know what is possible. For me it would be more the question how obstrusive/unobstrusive does the camera look for other people? How much attention does a camera get. However I am not even sure if this is more a problem in the head of the photographer himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted August 19, 2008 Share #125 Â Posted August 19, 2008 I said it once before and I'll say it again: "How did you kids get so puny?" I'm 78 years old and I carry a D2X or a D3 over my shoulder for hours climbing mountain paths below Pikes Peak. Diogenis, before you come to a conclusion like this you should try it first. Â The fact that you can carry this load doesn't mean it's the smartest or most efficient use of your energy. Perhaps you also carry a pack full of canned beef stew because it tastes better than the freeze dried stuff? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 19, 2008 Share #126 Â Posted August 19, 2008 Just hire a porter - or a train of camels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-25 Posted August 19, 2008 Share #127 Â Posted August 19, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) The M8 definitely looked less digital than when I had Canon 5D's, but not so much with Nikon's D3 and D700. Â I shoot a tight set of in camera settings in the Nikons, then I simply batch export them in NX, not really adjusting anything. When I use a lens like the CZ 35/2 on the D700 and the 28/2 on the M8, there is not much of a difference in overall look at all. Â With the Nikons and NX, I have hardly any post production work at all, they go right to press. The files from the M8 only need a little more work to look that good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSL Posted August 19, 2008 Share #128 Â Posted August 19, 2008 The fact that you can carry this load doesn't mean it's the smartest or most efficient use of your energy. Perhaps you also carry a pack full of canned beef stew because it tastes better than the freeze dried stuff? Â It's the "smartest and most efficient use" of my energy if I want photographs. I've never tried shooting pictures with canned beef stew, or even "freeze-dried stuff," but if that's your choice, have at it. Â When you go into the mountains with your M8, Brent, what single lens do you have on the camera? Since you're concerned about weight I assume you leave the gadget bag and lenses behind. I don't know of a single prime lens that'll do what I want to do around the abandoned gold mines below Pikes Peak. In the sixties I used to go up there with an M4 and a bag of lenses. Now I go up there with a D3 and a single zoom. Not much difference in weight, but a lot more difference in convenience. Don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking the M8. I use my R-D1 all the time and I'll have a digital Leica rangefinder as soon as I'm convinced it's reliable enough, but to me it's still a street camera -- not an abandoned gold mine camera. Jaap does some exceptionally fine work in the boonies with his M8, but I'll bet he's carrying at least as much weight as I am with my D3. Â I probably should add that I also carry a carbon fiber tripod in my left hand when the camera's over my right shoulder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted August 20, 2008 Share #129 Â Posted August 20, 2008 It's the "smartest and most efficient use" of my energy if I want photographs. I've never tried shooting pictures with canned beef stew, or even "freeze-dried stuff," but if that's your choice, have at it. Â No, dummy, you don't shoot with it, you eat it. Perhaps you don't carry any food into the mountains and prefer to live off roots and berries, maybe munching an occasional wriggling hand-caught brookie? Â I probably should add that I also carry a carbon fiber tripod in my left hand when the camera's over my right shoulder. Â Carbon fiber? Kind of wimpy, isn't it? Thought for sure a big strong guy like you would carry a 12 pound steel Gitzo/ballhead combo to give that D3 some stability. Â Happy climbing/gold mine shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabelle Lenatio Posted August 20, 2008 Share #130 Â Posted August 20, 2008 .... Ridiculed for expressing ones feelings/toughts and not going along with the mainstream.... man, what kind of people are you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted August 20, 2008 Share #131 Â Posted August 20, 2008 .... Ridiculed for expressing ones feelings/toughts and not going along with the mainstream.... man, what kind of people are you? Â Â Tongue-in-cheek people, my dear. Just a little give and take, all in good fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSL Posted August 20, 2008 Share #132 Â Posted August 20, 2008 No, dummy, you don't shoot with it, you eat it. Perhaps you don't carry any food into the mountains and prefer to live off roots and berries, maybe munching an occasional wriggling hand-caught brookie? Â Carbon fiber? Kind of wimpy, isn't it? Thought for sure a big strong guy like you would carry a 12 pound steel Gitzo/ballhead combo to give that D3 some stability. Â Happy climbing/gold mine shooting. Â Brent, you didn't answer my question: When you go into the mountains with your M8, Brent, what single lens do you have on the camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSL Posted August 20, 2008 Share #133 Â Posted August 20, 2008 No, dummy, you don't shoot with it, you eat it. Perhaps you don't carry any food into the mountains and prefer to live off roots and berries, maybe munching an occasional wriggling hand-caught brookie? Â Carbon fiber? Kind of wimpy, isn't it? Thought for sure a big strong guy like you would carry a 12 pound steel Gitzo/ballhead combo to give that D3 some stability. Â Happy climbing/gold mine shooting. Â Brent, you didn't answer my question: When you go into the mountains with your M8, what single lens do you have on the camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted August 20, 2008 Share #134 Â Posted August 20, 2008 Brent, you didn't answer my question: When you go into the mountains with your M8, what single lens do you have on the camera? Â 24/2.8 ASPH, which means I have to quietly sneak up on grizzlies to get those shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSL Posted August 21, 2008 Share #135 Â Posted August 21, 2008 24/2.8 ASPH, which means I have to quietly sneak up on grizzlies to get those shots. Â Well, that answer sort of speaks for itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondawg Posted August 21, 2008 Share #136 Â Posted August 21, 2008 I love the photos!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_reinierv Posted August 21, 2008 Share #137  Posted August 21, 2008 actually when I'm in the mountains with my M8 I shoot 28mm 90% of the time...I also carry a 50mm, but that remains in the backpack most of the time. I use it for an occasional portret of a groupmember  landscape is to be shot with wide angel mostly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted August 21, 2008 Share #138 Â Posted August 21, 2008 I think it may be because the M8 has no AA filter, which make the images look less plastic comparing to some other dSLRs have strong AA filter. Â That's an important factor in what, I believe, many people are perceiving when they make this observation. One can see the difference even in thumbnails. The M8 does very little AA filtering. Â Cheers, Â Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted August 21, 2008 Share #139  Posted August 21, 2008 Oh, My God! And I realize as well, how bad is my monitor and how important is to have a professinal one to edit properly the files. So... next think to buy, and my pocket will remain empty. It was really nice to admire the m8 files through a good monitor. Cheers!  Consider an NEC 2490 with a hood.  Cheers,  Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted August 21, 2008 Share #140 Â Posted August 21, 2008 .... Ridiculed for expressing ones feelings/toughts and not going along with the mainstream.... man, what kind of people are you? Â Check your Private Message box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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