earleygallery Posted January 6, 2009 Share #461 Posted January 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) More B.S. from the Met in today's Independent. So, the Met's promises to stop this nonsense by their officers was all hot air. There must be something that can be done about this. We don't live in a police state... or do we? Depends how you define Police State. Despite all the reassurances some of us have received through letters to MP's and the police, if we are challenged when out photographing in public by a policeman, we can state that it's our legal right etc but ultimately they can still arrest us on suspicion of terrorism, or perhaps obstruction or breach of the peace if they told you to move on and you refused. What can you do then? Complain.......to the police. OK you might get an apology but its more likely they will justify their actions given the threat of terrorism or public concern whatever. It's all very depressing really. Never mind the toytown police/security guards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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andybarton Posted January 6, 2009 Share #462 Posted January 6, 2009 When I had an email discussion with Inspector Knacker of the Yard, about 9 months ago, I copied Liberty into the start of the conversation. I heard nothing from them. They are only interested in certain types of libertarian issues, from what I can gather. If you don't tick a certain number of their boxes, you are wasting your time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted January 6, 2009 Share #463 Posted January 6, 2009 It's all very depressing really. You are old enough to remember when we had a Police Service, and not a Police Force. There were there to serve us, not to force us. Big difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted January 7, 2009 Share #464 Posted January 7, 2009 "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson Seems like a good idea to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael-IIIf Posted January 12, 2009 Share #465 Posted January 12, 2009 And again reported on Boing Boing........... Another London photographer arrested for "terrorism" (i.e. "taking a picture of a public building") - Boing Boing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted January 12, 2009 Share #466 Posted January 12, 2009 What can you do then? Complain.......to the police. OK you might get an apology but its more likely they will justify their actions given the threat of terrorism or public concern whatever. I believe that they can be sued for wrongful arrest although I'm not sure what it entails. A friend of mine has put in an official complaint (on an entirely different matter, but after explaining the legal position - he was not arrested but did go to the police station voluntarily) and has had an apology. In my experience (so far) I've actually found most policemen to be responsive to explanations (not that I've had to give many) and never had any problems. But all this said, in North Wales where I live the police are actually pretty good in general and mostly very helpful (but DON'T speed here as our chief constable has actually reduced road deaths by a vigorous campaign against speeding - a Frenchman was actually summoned from France to attend a court to prove the point). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted January 12, 2009 Share #467 Posted January 12, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just received this e-mail from 10 Downing St; not good news. Number10.gov.uk Photographylaw - epetition response Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted January 16, 2009 Share #468 Posted January 16, 2009 Words fail me... http://www.met.police.uk/campaigns/counter_terrorism/ct_camera_2008.pdf Metropolitan Police Service - Counter-terrorism advertising campaign Regards, Bill Interesting. Millons of tourists and cameras a year, and OF COURSE some will look "suspicious". Just because some lam-o can take a picture doesn't mean he can blow up London Bridge. Oh wait, that's in a desert now. Mr. Macready! Are you listening to me? If that building is not still standing on November 6th... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted January 16, 2009 Share #469 Posted January 16, 2009 Just received this e-mail from 10 Downing St; not good news. Number10.gov.uk Photographylaw - epetition response In other words, the Sheriff of Nottingham has complete jurisdictional authority in these matters. If you have a complaint that your camera was smashed by Constable Barney, bring it up with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted January 16, 2009 Share #470 Posted January 16, 2009 "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson Seems like a good idea to me People should not be afraid of their governments. The governments should be afraid of their people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 23, 2009 Share #471 Posted January 23, 2009 It's not just photographers that need to be worried... http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/23/civil-liberties-clubs Anyone know if this report is accurate? If it is then I find it absolutely astounding - I could use stronger language. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 23, 2009 Share #472 Posted January 23, 2009 You know, I quite like the UK. At one point of my life I considered moving there. My wife (who is English) refused. Now I think she made the right decision, sorry as I am to say that to my British friends here... Having said that, the rest of Europe is rapidly going the same way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted January 23, 2009 Share #473 Posted January 23, 2009 WTF?? Too incandescent to comment right now ... Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted January 27, 2009 Author Share #474 Posted January 27, 2009 I'm thinking of emigrating... British Journal of Photography - Taking photos of police officers could be considered a crime ...to a more tolerant country such as North Korea Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted January 28, 2009 Share #475 Posted January 28, 2009 If you introduce legislation of a restrictive or intrusive nature, then the police will somehow find an excuse or reason, no matter how illogical, to make use of it, It's in their nature. Paranoia is now running rampant and uncontrolled in the UK, all under the guise of "prevention of [insert your own imaginary reason]". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiralx Posted February 4, 2009 Share #476 Posted February 4, 2009 You are old enough to remember when we had a Police Service, and not a Police Force. There were there to serve us, not to force us. Big difference. No, that's the wrong way round. It used to be the police force, now it's the police service. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 6, 2009 Share #477 Posted February 6, 2009 'Bored' community officers turning to crime | Metro.co.uk= Now we know, the poor things are just bored, and if picking on photographers gives them some amusement in their otherwise boring days - and helps them from turning to crime, then perhaps we should all thank ourselves that we are helping society in this way. So, why do I feel like this ? :mad: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted February 6, 2009 Share #478 Posted February 6, 2009 'Bored' community officers turning to crime | Metro.co.uk= Now we know, the poor things are just bored, and if picking on photographers gives them some amusement in their otherwise boring days - and helps them from turning to crime, then perhaps we should all thank ourselves that we are helping society in this way. So, why do I feel like this ? :mad: Bored, maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPerson Posted February 10, 2009 Share #479 Posted February 10, 2009 Law in Action on Radio Four has a piece on Photography & the Law this afternoon. It is the second item and starts about 9 min 45 sec into the prog: Law in Action Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted February 10, 2009 Share #480 Posted February 10, 2009 Interesting piece - well done iPlayer and thanks for mentioning it. I wonder how many of us will note down the solicitor's name? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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