FastFashnReloaded Posted February 1, 2008 Share #61 Posted February 1, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) I will upgrade, but am sad to be stucked to a 2.5 inch LCD screen when 3 inch or larger will be the norm by then. I know! Let's just dump the 'finder entirely so we can put a REALLY big screen on the thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wilfredo Posted February 1, 2008 Share #62 Posted February 1, 2008 I've owned an M6, MP, and M7, and the less noisy sound of the new shutter does not match any of these cameras. As I said earlier, I'm O.K. with the current sound, it's not a big deal. I would rather invest $2000.00 on a lens, or some other more useful piece of equipment, or apply that money towards the purchase of the M9 when that happens. But it is encouraging to know that Leica is actually working on improvements. The great news is that the M8 still reigns supreme as is, and it now appears the WB issue has been resolved, or at the very least significantly improved! Cheers, Wilfredo Benitez-Rivera Photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted February 1, 2008 Share #63 Posted February 1, 2008 Yeah, the sound is less noisy, but please, 1200.00 Euro? May I suggest ear plugs?I've used the M8 in churches, and the sound of the current shutter simply faded into the background, never raising an eyebrow. Could it be that we make too much of a big deal over this? Why would I want to pay $1800 dollars for a little less noise hardly anyone will notice? I'm glad Leica is making improvements, but the cost is way too high, I won't be buying this time, hey we are in a recession here in the U.S. of A. On another brighter note, I'm quite happy with my M8. It is by far the best photographic tool I have ever owned. I'll keep it as is, and will download the new free firmware upgrade as soon as I have a moment to do so. Cheers, Wilfredo Benitez-Rivera Photography You know what a truly loud camera was/is? The Contax 167MT. Using that camera at a wedding is like starting a jet engine at the Last Supper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted February 1, 2008 Share #64 Posted February 1, 2008 I prefer to enjoy (occasionally) the luxus of 1/8000 than this little less noisy sound...I consumed only 4 of my 10-set of screen protectors... I bet that my M8 will not betray me before 16 months or so of extension of the warranty... 1200 Euros ? I like my new Summarit 75... and one of my Elmarits 28 is 25 years old (the first-version-Wetzlar is another question...)... uhm, that fine asph... Uhm...Dlux3 would be fine as "always-carry-with-yourself"... Uhm... that LONG tele of V-Lux... ...pass by... for this time, I could have better ways to give them my money... Hello Luigi! What about posting some picture with your 75?i'm really curious I noticed one here on the shelf looking at me....And i'm still tryin' to sell a WATE brand new...maybe... Very Best Mauri Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted February 1, 2008 Share #65 Posted February 1, 2008 Here's one persons opinion of how the two cameras at PMA compared with the sounds in the files from the Leica website: The new Leica shutter is quiet (I tried it today at PMA): Leica Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review they think in practice the sounds are different with the PMA camera being significantly better than the original . Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhusick Posted February 1, 2008 Share #66 Posted February 1, 2008 The old and new shutter sounds are available here: Leica Camera AG - Fotografie - M8 What do you think? I am at PMA today and I shot the new and old side by side. In my opinion the initial "thunk" sound is about half as loud in the new, and the "whirr" motor sound is just slightly lower. Based on my brief experience with it, I am not inclined to upgrade. Brad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jquimby Posted February 1, 2008 Share #67 Posted February 1, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) You know what a truly loud camera was/is? The Contax 167MT. Using that camera at a wedding is like starting a jet engine at the Last Supper. that was the funniest thing i have read all week... thanks, that really made my day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 1, 2008 Share #68 Posted February 1, 2008 ...the release of the first curtain (the first spike in each graph) is actually louder in the NEW shutter but every sonic event after that--impact of first curtain, release of second curtain, impact of second curtain--is definitely louder on the current shutter. The impact of the first curtain that makes the ugly hollow clack is the really major spike, and it is a camera shaking event... OK, to help you compare the two sounds I've done a little trickery. ...I suggest you save the mp3 files to your hard drive and then play them... I am at PMA today and I shot the new and old side by side. In my opinion the initial "thunk" sound is about half as loud in the new, and the "whirr" motor sound is just slightly lower... Thank you folks. Very interesting indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted February 1, 2008 Share #69 Posted February 1, 2008 I took a sound meter and checked my current M8 and with A weighting (response 500-10KHz) and set to fast where I get peak values on the 60 db range, I get a peak of +6 db on the old and +5 db on the new. The actual volume level isn't that different but the sound is different in character and duration. If I set the meter to compute the average sound level I get 0 db for the new and +0.5 db for the old one . I adjusted my speaker volume until the SPL from the recorded old one matched my actual M8 sound level at the same distance. Not enough of a difference to matter much. Just for kicks I measured my Canon G7 and it measures -5 db on the same scale. That is a real difference (You need 3 db to hear a real difference in volume however the ear is more sensitive to certain frequencies (around 3 kHz) than others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted February 1, 2008 Share #70 Posted February 1, 2008 I read somewhere if it plays in Itunes you have to turn the leveling off or something. Jack and i will be at PMA Saturday and we will test it in person and get a report out. I was told by my Leica rep at the show it sounds like a M6 or 7. ... and Guy - please ask about a quiet mode with separation of shutter release and re-cock... Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted February 1, 2008 Share #71 Posted February 1, 2008 Leaving aside the deep technical analyses - the "new" sound is very similar to the Contax G shutter and wind, and also similar to the Konica RF shutter (but NOT the RF's wind). ...which is not surprising since they both also topped out at 1/4000 and 1/200 for sync speed. I think the "easter egg" of less vibration may be more significant to me in making an ultimate choice than sound per se. We shall see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted February 1, 2008 Share #72 Posted February 1, 2008 The R10 has a silent shutter,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well I have never heard it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry Posted February 1, 2008 Share #73 Posted February 1, 2008 Leaving aside the deep technical analyses - the "new" sound is very similar to the Contax G shutter and wind, and also similar to the Konica RF shutter (but NOT the RF's wind). ...which is not surprising since they both also topped out at 1/4000 and 1/200 for sync speed. I think the "easter egg" of less vibration may be more significant to me in making an ultimate choice than sound per se. We shall see. Andy, I have a Contax G, and it's as loud or louder than my M8. Larry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndjambrose Posted February 1, 2008 Share #74 Posted February 1, 2008 Yeah, the sound is less noisy, but please, 1200.00 Euro? May I suggest ear plugs? You'd need a lot of ear plugs. I'd have to buy a set for everyone I ever wished to photograph. And invent a method of discretely inserting them into their ears. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted February 1, 2008 Share #75 Posted February 1, 2008 You really need to play them with your eyes closed. The sound level is almost identical, only the nature of the sound is different with the old one having a more distinct initial clunk but the remainder of the sound is the same. I can play them back to back using iTunes and it is pretty evident that actual sound levels are very close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim power Posted February 1, 2008 Share #76 Posted February 1, 2008 Leica has gone to a lot of trouble to address one of the main moans about the M8 - that is is noisier than your average M - but with somewhat mixed results apparently. For those of us who sometimes want to take pictures without revealing that we've done so, shooters from the hip and suchlike, the virtually silent Ms are a real boon. The M8 in that respect proved a big disappointment. This upgrade has quietened the camera a little, though the consensus seems to be that it is still measurably louder than an M. So why didn't the wizards of Solms design a new a shutter release mechanism which could, if kept depressed, stop the shutter from being re-cocked? Going to the trouble of an expensive re-build, including a somewhat pointless, enforced option in the form of an ultra-hard lcd screen, but not really tackling the LENGTH as well as the loudness of the shutter and re-cock sound seems a little odd. Will we have to live in a state of permanent revolution with our M8s as Leica sequentially addresses each of the deficits in a camera which was poorly beta tested? And how many Euros will we be stung for as each new upgrade is made available? Perhaps it be wisest to wait and let wealthy early adopters spend upfront on this first - of many? - upgrades and see how they feel about the way each technical issue is being solved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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