Guest stnami Posted January 28, 2008 Share #41 Posted January 28, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) yes, check your bottom my arse is clean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted January 28, 2008 Share #42 Posted January 28, 2008 Sorry, EVEN Leica have to be relatively price competative with the market. Do you really think they'd bother if it meant having to charge say £10K/$20K for it? They aren't going to make something that they know only a handful of fanatics will buy... Agree. There will be an M9 soon or late and its price won't be higher than the market IMHO. A Leica is a miniature format, not an MF camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 28, 2008 Share #43 Posted January 28, 2008 What will the value of a used M8 be once the M9 is introduced? Will will see a 50% drop in price for a used M8?... Not sure because there will be some demand from people who cannot afford to buy the M9 or M8-2. A digital CL could be an M8 killer though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rontr6 Posted January 28, 2008 Share #44 Posted January 28, 2008 I hope in the unlikely event of a digital CL it's a little more robust than the original version:rolleyes: Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted January 28, 2008 Share #45 Posted January 28, 2008 Half a brain it will be a clean M8. And it will cost them less to deliver something that works without having to fix the f all the time. Who else runs business with such a marginal flagship? Management must be cretins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted January 28, 2008 Share #46 Posted January 28, 2008 Not sure because there will be some demand from people who cannot afford to buy the M9 or M8-2. A digital CL could be an M8 killer though. Rule of thumb ... digital model will lose more than half of its original value once the next generation is available: A 1Ds mark II is around 3500 US now, a D2x is less than 1800 US ... MINT. My guess is that Leica will continue to think the used market as their entry level. Question is: the M can't be simpler, what can you take away to build a cheaper model? A digital CL will appear to be smaller than its big brother but the innards will remain the same ... there're several ways to cripple the CL to make it cheaper though ... strip RAW, completely disable 3rd party lenses, no metering at all, no auto exposure, battery only good for 50 shots. Giving the forum members an opportunity to hack away, and chances for garage projects. LOL Forget to mention, like many Japanese companies are doing with their cheap models now ... the charger will be optional at buyers' cost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 28, 2008 Share #47 Posted January 28, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Rule of thumb ... digital model will lose more than half of its original value once the next generation is available... Rules of thumb don't always work in niche markets Simon. I bought my R-D1s new 2,000 euros all taxes included and they sell now for 1,500 euros without taxes in Japan and HK. Add to this 25% for VAT and customs duties and this gives you roughly the actual price of a discontinued camera in Europe right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted January 28, 2008 Share #48 Posted January 28, 2008 Not sure because there will be some demand from people who cannot afford to buy the M9 or M8-2. A digital CL could be an M8 killer though. Yea..look how right they go the digilux 2 successor. Management must be.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 28, 2008 Share #49 Posted January 28, 2008 ...A digital CL will appear to be smaller than its big brother but the innards will remain the same... No no mate, as i have designed it myself it will be an APS-C camera. Only way not to kill the M8 if any. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 28, 2008 Share #50 Posted January 28, 2008 ... it will be an APS-C camera. Only way not to kill the M8 if any... Another way consisting to repeat what Leica did in the seventies, give the digi CL a short based rangefinder and 3 framelines only: now 28/35/50 like Epson's BTW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted January 28, 2008 Share #51 Posted January 28, 2008 No no mate, as i have designed it myself it will be an APS-C camera. Only way not to kill the M8 if any. An APS-C CL will still put the M8 in limbo IMO ... how big is the difference between 1.5x and 1.33x? I find that speaking for myself alone, I'll have a hard time to justify the cost difference. It's unlike the differences between a 40D and a 1D Mk3 ... they're basically made for two different type of people. I do like your idea about only three frame lines, perhaps they could build the new tri-elmar into the body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 28, 2008 Share #52 Posted January 28, 2008 Which will come first, the digital CL or CM??? I doubt Leica will introduce a 'CL' and potentially take sales away from the M8 (or M9), whereas a 'CM' would could be something pretty much unique in the current market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 28, 2008 Share #53 Posted January 28, 2008 Yes a digi CL would probably be an M8 killer right now. So digi CM perhaps (but would be expensive compared to PanaLeica's...) or no compact Leica before the full frame M is launched i'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 28, 2008 Share #54 Posted January 28, 2008 Hello, for all who dodn't understand the german language, here is an interesting shot: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/sport-freizeit/44023-night-race-schladming-2008-a.html May be it is made with the R10 prototype! Regards, Bernd. Whatever it was made with, it is not a camera Leica is currently producing. Exif removed, 1600 ISO without noise, a bit like those cars with pieces of cardboard stuck all over them we see in car magazines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted January 28, 2008 Share #55 Posted January 28, 2008 Whatever it was made with, it is not a camera Leica is currently producing.Exif removed, 1600 ISO without noise, a bit like those cars with pieces of cardboard stuck all over them we see in car magazines. I wish I read German! The aspect ratio is something, too... why are people in the German forum thinking this is an R prototype? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted January 28, 2008 Share #56 Posted January 28, 2008 There is actually no real info about the fact if this is the R10. All assumptions And Ronald is making lot of fog around this, stating this might have been a Digilux3 - which I doubt! Format could point to the R10 ??? We will see Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4season Posted January 28, 2008 Share #57 Posted January 28, 2008 A guess: I think we'll see more emphasis on "affordable" back-to-basics products due to the weak US Dollar and worries about global recession. R10 could possibly be an "economy" model based heavily on the M8, but more polished in terms of IR filtering, noise, 16-bit output, SD HC and incorporating a dedicated ISO dial. In order to cut costs, ROM-equipped lenses may be required. Higher-end full-frame models may have to wait. R10 could be a bit on the large size, in order to better differentiate from M-system and also to accomodate future full-frame sensors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted January 28, 2008 Share #58 Posted January 28, 2008 R10 could possibly be an "economy" model based heavily on the M8. I really, really hope not. That would be an unmitigated disaster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted January 28, 2008 Share #59 Posted January 28, 2008 I really, really hope not. That would be an unmitigated disaster. I fully agree! Basing the development of a new DSLR system on economical hickups - especially in the US - sorry, this will not fly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted January 28, 2008 Share #60 Posted January 28, 2008 That ski picture on the German forum doesn't look at all, it's not even in focus, if that's what the R10 can do then I'd gladly pass it. Regarding the aspect ratio, I think it's just cropped to 16:9, seems there's a lot of HDTV addicts there, not my cup of tea ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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