My answer to the M-EV1

[jaapv]

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My CL returned from Wetzlar today, economically not repairable, it did not accept L lenses any more. So after a rummage in my cupboard I came up with Novoflex M adapter, Summicron C 40, Voigtlanders 25 and 15. And you know what?. A joy to use, and a Barnack-EV1. I will love to try it out. 
 

 

 

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[lct]

Nice little camera indeed. Those lenses do well too (Skopar 21/3.5, Tessar 35/3.5, Elmar-M 50/2.8, MATE). Unsure what answer they can give to the MEV1 but better use the Leica adapter to detect coded lenses and trigger magnification. Too bad autozoom is not possible with it though.

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[jaapv]

It won’t recognize the Leica adapter anyway. 

[jaapv]

My point is that similar sets can be made with for instance the CL making the M EV1 a bit redundant unless one insists on one letter: M 

[SrMi]

11 minutes ago, jaapv said:

My point is that similar sets can be made with for instance the CL making the M EV1 a bit redundant unless one insists on one letter: M 

There is much more to using M-EV1 over CL than just the letter M :). But, yeah, CL is light and fun to use. Glad you found a way to revive it.

[lct]

27 minutes ago, jaapv said:

It won’t recognize the Leica adapter anyway. 

Sure it does. It could not detect 6bit coded lenses otherwise.

[FrozenInTime]

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21 minutes ago, lct said:

Sure it does. It could not detect 6bit coded lenses otherwise.

I think the electronic contacts died on @jaapv ‘s camera. All mechanical M lenses are the only future proof investment.

[jaapv]

49 minutes ago, lct said:

Sure it does. It could not detect 6bit coded lenses otherwise.

  Read my post please. This thread is about a CL that cannot communicate with L lenses any more, so it had to be converted to an M camera. Thus it is an EVF M mount camera now. That is the whole point. It is a more compact, lighter and Basrnack-shaped M camera with EVF now. As SrMi points out, it lacks some of the features of the M-EV1 like Perspective Control and crop lines, and has older (sensor) technology , but that is mostly due to anno domini. It is exactly the EV1 concept in a more handy form. 

[lct]

Sorry for your CL but i missed where you said its electronic contacts are dead. Sure the MEV1 has no electronic contact, the same way as other M cameras have none, but even without such contacts, the CL is hardly more an M-mount camera than a Sony with an adapter. It is the M mount that makes the MEV1 an M camera and it is the roller cam it shares with other Ms that allows for autozoom the CL is lacking, altough its upper dials are handy TBH.

 

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[jaapv]

If my CL wasn’t an M mount camera it would be a non-mount camera now.
It is fascinating how a simple passive piece of metal like a small adapter can make an immense emotional impact on some people. But I guess it is something like Buddha’s tooth or a piece of the Cross. 
Strictly speaking an M camera can have any mount, as long as it has a Messsucher. The M only applies to the to the view-rangefinder and has nothing to do with the mount. But it is quite practical if it can accept lenses made for the system. In this light the EV1 is not an M camera. But let’s be nice to Leica and allow a bit of nostalgia in their naming.  After all, we have  SL-SL, CL-CL, and now M-M. Not even limited to Leica: OM-OM.

[AlanJW]

A good solution for Jaap.  Use it well.  I just prefer the bigger sensor and the newer technology so I am waiting for the M EV1 finally to escape FCC purgatory and get to us here in the US.  Atthe same time, I have no present intention of getting rid of my M11.  They are siblings but not rivals.

[jaapv]

1 minute ago, AlanJW said:

They are siblings but not rivals.

True and a good solution for users who were waiting for it. I guess my CL has been force-pushed into their ranks. 🤩

[lct]

40 minutes ago, jaapv said:

If my CL wasn’t an M mount camera it would be a non-mount camera now.
It is fascinating how a simple passive piece of metal like a small adapter can make an immense emotional impact on some people. But I guess it is something like Buddha’s tooth or a piece of the Cross [...]

Unsure what adapter you're referring to. There is no adapter on the MEV1. It is a pure M-mount camera, just like the M1 was in the 1960s. Neither of them needs any additional accessories to work with M lenses they were designed for. This is a fundamental difference from L-mount cameras such as SL and CL, that were designed to work with AF lenses in the first place and require an adapter to fit M lenses, which does not alter their other qualities otherwise.

[jaapv]

The L adapter for M.  The M needs an adapter to use screw mount lenses. You still don’t understand. My CL does NOT work with  AF lenses so I repaired it by turning it into a pure M mount camera by a permanent mount conversion,  making it the Barnack- shaped analog of the M-shaped EV1. 
The TL and CL were designed from the beginning to accept M lenses as well. 
The EV1 proves that “designed to” shifts with each iteration. No M before the M240 was designed to take an electronic Visoflex, No M before the M 11 was designed to take an EVF viewfinder. That shows that the Gestalt of the camera does not care for our human emotional associations. 

[lct]

1 minute ago, jaapv said:

The L adapter for M.  The M needs an adapter to use screw mount lenses. 

Same as with all other M cameras. The MEV1 is an M camera, not an LTM one, but it works very well with my LTM lenses such as Super-Angulon 21/4, Elmar 35/3.5, Summicron 35/2 v1, Summicron 50/2 v1 and Elmarit 90/2.8 v1.

[jaapv]

Whether it works or not has absolutely no bearing on  the content of this thread, which is about a broken CL converted to a manual focus M camera AKA EV1 analog. Which is not an LTM camera nor an M camera so it uses adapters that Leica provides to convert the mount ( like LTM and M do) to convert the mechanical connection. 
That your lenses work on the EV1 -surprise, surprise- only proves that a post-M camera can function with an amputated Rangefinder and an EVF implanted.