Possible hints that the M12 is approaching

[Kiwimac]

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Here in NZ, every variant of the M11 other than the EV1 is now being sold with a bonus $1200 camera bag. Even the Safari. 
 

When this happens, it’s usually an indication that the distributor has been given the nod about the release of the next best thing and is seeking to sell down stock. 
 

I’ve no idea if that’s the case but I recall they did something similar with the M10 series. 

[wizard]

vor 10 Minuten schrieb Kiwimac:

is now being sold with a bonus $1200 camera bag

Wow, how can a camera bag be $1200? Most likely, the actual costs for the seller will be significantly lower, so in effect they are not giving you that much of a discount, unless of course you "must" have that very camera bag.

Personally, I do not think the M12 is ante portas. They have just released the EV1, which is fully based on M11 technology, so I expect an M12 to be at least two years away from now.

[jakontil]

26 minutes ago, Kiwimac said:

Here in NZ, every variant of the M11 other than the EV1 is now being sold with a bonus $1200 camera bag. Even the Safari. 
 

When this happens, it’s usually an indication that the distributor has been given the nod about the release of the next best thing and is seeking to sell down stock. 
 

I’ve no idea if that’s the case but I recall they did something similar with the M10 series. 

1200 usd? Wow that’s a lot..

but i think it’s a little too soon for next generation M

[105012]

9 minutes ago, jakontil said:

1200 usd? Wow that’s a lot..

but i think it’s a little too soon for next generation M

I would assume NZ $? So about US $670.

[jaapv]

Maybe the camera bag is being replaced?

[T25UFO]

29 minutes ago, jakontil said:

1200 usd? Wow that’s a lot

I think he means NZD so that's about USD 675 or around GBP 510.  Maybe it's a Fogg bag 🙂

[LocalHero1953]

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We need a picture of the bag.

Or perhaps a separate thread about it.

[Smudgerer]

what about the neck-strap?

[LocalHero1953]

M8-M9-M240 were on a 3 year cycle. M240-M10-M11 have been on a 5 year cycle. M12 is thus most likely in 2027.

[jakontil]

14 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

M8-M9-M240 were on a 3 year cycle. M240-M10-M11 have been on a 5 year cycle. M12 is thus most likely in 2027.

I didnt realize the m240 was shorter cycle.. u r so right.. dang.. may b bcoz they were still selling the m262 and m240 E right after alongside the m10

[LocalHero1953]

There were major changes in wider industry technology between M8, M9 and M240 that Leica evolved rapidly to keep up with (APSC to full frame sensors, then CCD to CMOS with liveview). The tech didn't change so quickly thereafter, so Leica were at less risk of being left behind if they launched new models more slowly. 

OTOH the M10-R, with a high res sensor, arrived only 3 years after the M10 - that could be seen as a significant new model but without the number change. Who will swear that Leica wouldn't issue a M11 with significant changes now, almost 4 years after launch? There have been strong hints about major upgrades to the rangefinder. They could add video (again). M11 with IBIS? Let speculation thrive!

[John McMaster]

https://www.photo.co.nz/online-store/categories/camera-bags/rolling-cases-and-video-cases/bonus-peak-design-roller-pro-with-leica-camera-via-redemption

john

[LocalHero1953]

3 minutes ago, John McMaster said:

https://www.photo.co.nz/online-store/categories/camera-bags/rolling-cases-and-video-cases/bonus-peak-design-roller-pro-with-leica-camera-via-redemption

john

Is the M11 larger and heavier in NZ than other parts of the world?

[John McMaster]

It has the weight of the world on it...

john

[DadDadDaddyo]

Made from octopus leather. Very expandable. 

[jakontil]

2 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

There were major changes in wider industry technology between M8, M9 and M240 that Leica evolved rapidly to keep up with (APSC to full frame sensors, then CCD to CMOS with liveview). The tech didn't change so quickly thereafter, so Leica were at less risk of being left behind if they launched new models more slowly. 

OTOH the M10-R, with a high res sensor, arrived only 3 years after the M10 - that could be seen as a significant new model but without the number change. Who will swear that Leica wouldn't issue a M11 with significant changes now, almost 4 years after launch? There have been strong hints about major upgrades to the rangefinder. They could add video (again). M11 with IBIS? Let speculation thrive!

That probably referred to M EV1? 

[LocalHero1953]

10 minutes ago, jakontil said:

That probably referred to M EV1? 

There have been several people who should know (e.g. Jono Slack) who have mentioned significant changes on their way to the opto-mechanical rangefinder - as a sign that the RF has not been left behind by the M-EV1 launch.

Edited 2 hours ago by LocalHero1953

[JNK100]

I am going to see what the M19p is like I think.