Visoflex 2 and M EV1?

[mboerma]

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Can you use the Visoflex 2 on the M EV1? 
 

Since the M EV1 doesn’t have an articulating screen it might be handy in some cases to be able to use the Visoflex 2. 

[SrMi]

3 minutes ago, mboerma said:

Can you use the Visoflex 2 on the M EV1? 
 

Since the M EV1 doesn’t have an articulating screen it might be handy in some cases to be able to use the Visoflex 2. 

No.

[mboerma]

Tried it? Or is it in the manual?

[elmars]

vor einer Stunde schrieb mboerma:

Tried it? Or is it in the manual?

Tried this. No contacts. 

[BWColor]

Ah.. the big upgrade to M-EV2.  Save up now for the extra $1000, but will probably be tilting LCD.

Edited Tuesday at 08:30 PM by BWColor

[SrMi]

11 minutes ago, BWColor said:

Ah.. the big upgrade to M-EV2.  Save up now for the extra $1000, but will probably be tilting LCD.

An M-EV2 will be everything that an M12 will be, except for an EVF instead of a rangefinder. It will also have all the focus aids that an M12 has.

I guess.

[LocalHero1953]

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49 minutes ago, SrMi said:

An M-EV2 will be everything that an M12 will be, except for an EVF instead of a rangefinder. It will also have all the focus aids that an M12 has.

I guess.

An interesting question. If that is the case, why didn't they call it the M11-EV1? Just because it was too long a name? Or because they see the potential for divergent M lines? If the latter, then the M-EV2 could have a tilt screen, perhaps to go with reintroduced limited video functionality (as well as IBIS, shared with the M12). Plus (with unconstrained speculation) a different processor, better to handle EVF, focus aids and video.

[SrMi]

2 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

An interesting question. If that is the case, why didn't they call it the M11-EV1? Just because it was too long a name? Or because they see the potential for divergent M lines? If the latter, then the M-EV2 could have a tilt screen, perhaps to go with reintroduced limited video functionality (as well as IBIS, shared with the M12). Plus (with unconstrained speculation) a different processor, better to handle EVF, focus aids and video.

If they diverge too much from the core M line, body and software, the cost would increase considerable as if they had launched a new line.

[LocalHero1953]

Just now, SrMi said:

If they diverge too much from the core M line, body and software, the cost would increase considerable as if they had launched a new line.

They will find out soon enough, with the EV1, if the likely cost is worth the likely return.

[BWColor]

6 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

An interesting question. If that is the case, why didn't they call it the M11-EV1? Just because it was too long a name? Or because they see the potential for divergent M lines? If the latter, then the M-EV2 could have a tilt screen, perhaps to go with reintroduced limited video functionality (as well as IBIS, shared with the M12). Plus (with unconstrained speculation) a different processor, better to handle EVF, focus aids and video.

This was a mass test market of a camera that cost little to bring to market.  The reception will allow them to decide what their next step will be.  The problem with this approach is that to test the viability of such a product, they either needed a far lower price, or features that make it easier, more pleasant to use the camera.  I suspect that many would have purchased if there was a super resolution fast refresh EVF, or some form of focus verification and a tilting bright LCD screen.  This would have made the price more palatable. I’m guessing that these upgrades would start with, at minimum, the Maestro 4.

[Stef63]

18 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

An interesting question. If that is the case, why didn't they call it the M11-EV1? Just because it was too long a name? Or because they see the potential for divergent M lines? If the latter, then the M-EV2 could have a tilt screen, perhaps to go with reintroduced limited video functionality (as well as IBIS, shared with the M12). 

As I understand it, the current Leica M11 (and previously the M10) don’t have video mainly because of heat dissipation constraints that come with the return to the slimmer, classic M body. If Leica wants to stay true to the current body thickness and dimensions, then adding things like a tilt screen, video, or IBIS seems very unlikely.

So the real question is — who actually wants one, two, or all three of these features if it means giving up the current M form factor in one way or another?  That said, the thermal-body design of recent Apple iPhones is quite promising — especially the new “vapor chamber” cooling system Apple designed to carry heat away from the chip and into the aluminum unibody.  

[Andrew Gough]

The lack of a tilting scene is a very large oversight, IMHO. No provisioning for the visoflex 2 is an equally dumb move. Whoever signed off on this, needs an elementary course in marketing.  Not having a tilt screen, kinda kills the whole Q upgrade path. For new consumers, considering a move to the M-EV1, will undoubtedly, be coming from a a mirrorless camera with a tilt screen... The only thing that the M-EV1 has over an SL3 is weight and form factor. The SL3 is cheaper, offers a better EVF experience, a tilt screen, and IBIS....

The M11 is 1.52 inches deep. My SL3 is 1.74 inches deep at the sensor. Just saying' 🤔

[FlashGordonPhotography]

And if you add all those things to the EV1 you'll end up with a SL2 sized camera. Except it'll be thicker because the M sensor plane is further forward than the M, leaving more room behind.

The EV1 is battery constrained. *Maybe* the newer processor is more efficient, but I won't make up for the smaller battery and sensor location. The Q3 IS is in the lens. So not that body either.

Leica has record profits, so I'll go along with they know what they're doing in the marketing department.

Gordon

[Stef63]

5 hours ago, Andrew Gough said:

The M11 is 1.52 inches deep. My SL3 is 1.74 inches deep at the sensor. Just saying' 🤔

The flange distance of an M is different than an L / SL. There is no room behind the sensor for a tilt screen on an M11 unless the body thickness needs to be considerably increased.   

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 11:01 PM by Stef63