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The M10-R offset the 1-stop faster shutter speed needed with a stop better high iso and dynamic range than the M10. And the M11 one stop more than the M10-R.

People have gotten spoiled. I remember when TMAX 3200 came along and it was like god's gift from heaven (we could push it to 6400 which wasn't really possible with TRI-X). And many of us loved the golf ball sized grain. In some ways the M9 was the most creative digital camera I've ever shot as it forced one to work within its limitations. Not every photograph needs to be an absolute pristine duplicate of reality. That's boring and leaves little room for emotional resonance in photography today. Embrace the imperfections as sometimes those can be perfect. 

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43 minutes ago, serpentventis said:

Super new to leicas, and my apologies didn’t read 46 pages of this thread (just got my digital CL, which basically made me want m11 too) do you still focus with ev1 by aligning two overlays or its replaced with the focus peaking red outline thing?

Focus peaking and magnification, or using zone focusing.

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4 hours ago, jjroroek said:

and there are things like a leica m that is made for streetphotografie where the use of a tripod is totally not usefull

Seriously? Mobile phones are for street photography these days. The world has moved on from the M as a street camera. And in any case why on earth would you need a 60MPixel camera for street photography?

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12 hours ago, pgk said:

Well I don't. The concern is that Leica will do reputational damage for producing a compromised camera. On this forum there is quite a lot of interest in the M EV1, on others there is a lot of bafflement as to why it exists at all and a lot of negativity. 7k is a lot to pay for what are at best marginal improvements over other EVF camera with adapters and M lenses.

I disagree that the EV1 is a "compromised" camera. Find me another 60mp full frame camera the same size as the EV1. Before you say Sony A7CR that thing has hot garbage for an ECF and ergonomics only a Sony user would like. From comments I'm seeing from people who have actually tried one, most people are positive about the EV1.

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7 hours ago, jjroroek said:

leica m that is made for streetphotografie where the use of a tripod is totally not usefull

That is a complete fantasy. The M was designed as a general use camera: travel, reportage, landscape, PJ work, family, events, weddings, etc. and is still in. use as such by the majority of users. 
 I once did a Leica Akademie  workshop on street photography with Günther Osterloh, Leica M icon and renowed street photographer. One of his techniques was to slowly and ostentatiously build up  his tripod and camera in a busy spot, wait twenty minutes which blended him in as part of the  scenery. After that he could shoot about anything as nobody took any notice of him any more.

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35 minutes ago, jaapv said:

That is a complete fantasy. The M was designed as a general use camera: travel, reportage, landscape, PJ work, family, events, weddings, etc. and is still in. use as such by the majority of users. 
 I once did a Leica Akademie  workshop on street photography with Günther Osterloh, Leica M icon and renowed street photographer. One of his techniques was to slowly and ostentatiously build up  his tripod and camera in a busy spot, wait twenty minutes which blended him in as part of the  scenery. After that he could shoot about anything as nobody took any notice of him any more.

+1 

Lewis Baltz is one of the most well-known photographers who used a Leica M (very low ISO film) with a tripod.

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I disagree that the EV1 is a "compromised" camera. Find me another 60mp full frame camera the same size as the EV1. Before you say Sony A7CR that thing has hot garbage for an ECF and ergonomics only a Sony user would like. From comments I'm seeing from people who have actually tried one, most people are positive about the EV1.

Add me to that list , After about 4 weeks VERY happy with the m EV1 (many years an M & SL shooter)

 

 

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