New Leica M11 Firmware v.2.6.0 (M11 / M11-P / M11-D / M11 Monochrom)

[baxterbradford]

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Has anyone tried using the new WB adjustment and if so what are the ballpark figures to reduce the magenta? From the release notes it says it will affect all of the presets including Auto. So one adjustment fits all...

Do we know if these values are then imported into Capture One or other RAW software using the 'as shot' WB setting? If not, then there seems to be very little point in going through a calibration process!

I was thinking of using a colorchecker card with camera outside in middle of the day(ish) on a tripod with daylight setting to make a start. 

[don daniel]

Make 15 clicks from magenta towards green and 5 clicks from blue to yellow. Magenta cast is gone then.

[baxterbradford]

2 minutes ago, don daniel said:

Make 15 clicks from magenta towards green and 5 clicks from blue to yellow. Magenta cast is gone then.

Thanks Don, very helpful and quick!

What about importing files and whether the software reads the alteration in RAW files? I don't use jpg.  

[baxterbradford]

With some stable light outside, I took the opportunity to make Don's recommended adjustments. Having imported to the computer, these apply the same correction to Magenta tint that I normally make in Capture One. 

The new settings read across perfectly with the 'as shot' WB setting. I'll leave it set like this for a while and see whether I think any refinement might be needed. 

Edited yesterday at 10:37 AM by baxterbradford

[maxpower]

I do wish it was possible to see the tint values in FOTOS as you adjust them, the click counting works in-camera but in FOTOS it feels a bit more finicky (even with the haptic feedback) and it would be nice to set my M11-D and P to the same values.

edit: just in case anyone is curious, what I did now was configure the white balance on M11-P, then open FOTOS with the M11-P and take a screenshot of the slider positions. Then connect the M11-D and go back and forth between screenshot and the settings display to make sure they are at the same spot. 

Edited yesterday at 11:12 AM by maxpower

[pedaes]

FWIW. On my M11-P and LrC the out of camera DNG file WB (Daylight) showed +21 Magenta. Dialling in 15 'clicks' of in-camera adjustment gives an ooc LrC figure of +10, which is what I used to pull it back to. Happy days!

[biglou]

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Hi all,

Found the problem source, a displaced contact from the charger.

So nothing wrong with the firmware or battery.

[Juliolio]

i just signed up to make this comment. this changes for me any second thoughts about the m11 and colors. i, like everyone, have an emotional connection to warmth and found this magenta-bluish hue shot sooc to be a little cold at times, and obviously we can all tweak every single photo manually in LR but the promise of Leica is world class images as-shot, not a bunch of extra steps with software and presets etc.... ticking this a touch warmer changes a lot.... thanks

[LeicaGuyUK]

11 hours ago, maxpower said:

I do wish it was possible to see the tint values in FOTOS as you adjust them, the click counting works in-camera but in FOTOS it feels a bit more finicky (even with the haptic feedback) and it would be nice to set my M11-D and P to the same values.

edit: just in case anyone is curious, what I did now was configure the white balance on M11-P, then open FOTOS with the M11-P and take a screenshot of the slider positions. Then connect the M11-D and go back and forth between screenshot and the settings display to make sure they are at the same spot. 

Could you not screen shot it, print that out on white paper and then overlay on to the m11 screen with the brightness up so you can trace it through? Actuallly ignore me, I just realised you said m11D, ok maybe for those with multiple 11’s

Just a thought?

Edited 17 hours ago by LeicaGuyUK

[jaapv]

Now that is really overcomplicating a simple thing. 
You don't have to tweak each image separately, or memorize settings and jump through hoops. You can save your favourite settings as a camera default in LR  and do it automatically. Or create a camera profile. 

Edited 14 hours ago by jaapv

[graphlex]

I tried out the new firmware on a fine sunny day. Colors seem noticeably more saturated than before. 

[Ne314satel]

19 hours ago, pedaes said:

FWIW. On my M11-P and LrC the out of camera DNG file WB (Daylight) showed +21 Magenta. Dialling in 15 'clicks' of in-camera adjustment gives an ooc LrC figure of +10, which is what I used to pull it back to. Happy days!

I'm not installing this firmware version on my M11 for now. After color correction at the service center, the colors are fine. If the firmware changes them, I don't want to send the camera back for service and waste time. Unfortunately, reverting to the previous firmware version is not possible. I think I'll contact the service center for a question—I don't know what was corrected in the camera, software or hardware.

[Lev55]

vor 5 Stunden schrieb graphlex:

I tried out the new firmware on a fine sunny day. Colors seem noticeably more saturated than before. 

You mean without changing the white balance?

[don daniel]

If your camera's white balance was previously recalibrated by the service center, you can still install the new firmware. That was the case for me as well. Just leave the WB slider between green and magenta at 0. However, you may have also noticed the following after the recalibration: The M11 no longer has a magenta cast after the service center has calibrated it, but it is tuned slightly cooler. This affects temperature, not tint.

My recommendation remains: If you haven't sent your camera in for white balance correction, you'll do well with 15 clicks from magenta towards green (tint) and 5 clicks from blue towards yellow (temperature). If you've had your camera recalibrated by the service center, do NOT touch tint, but correct the temperature by 10 clicks towards yellow.

I haven't noticed increased saturation in either DNG or JPG with the new firmware. However, in the default JPG Standard setting, the saturation is still too high in my opinion, as it has been before.

For good JPGs straight from the camera, I recommend (in addition to the above WB setting corrections) also adjusting the JPG Standard settings as follows: Film Look STD, Contrast +2, Sharpness 0, Saturation -1

The contrast increase is justified by the fact that I set Extended Dynamic Range to Medium. This brightens the shadows somewhat. If you don't increase the contrast, the image becomes flat.

[SrMi]

My recommendation remains: use manual WB, it is always more predictable and consistent than AWB.

[don daniel]

vor 5 Minuten schrieb SrMi:

My recommendation remains: use manual WB, it is always more predictable and consistent than AWB.

This is correct, if you do this before every single shot. Otherwise your WB will only be correct as long as the lighting situation remains exactly the same. 

[pedaes]

59 minutes ago, Ne314satel said:

I'm not installing this firmware version on my M11 for now.

I would read the release Note for this major FW upgrade as it includes a lot more than the WB adjustment, including bug fixes.

https://leica-camera.com/en-int/photography/cameras/m/m11-p-black/downloads

Edited 7 hours ago by pedaes

[SrMi]

8 minutes ago, don daniel said:

This is correct, if you do this before every single shot. Otherwise your WB will only be correct as long as the lighting situation remains exactly the same. 

Switching between daylight and tungsten WB works well when shooting raw. WB adjustment in post is quick and often necessary even with AWB (mainly creative reasons).

 

[don daniel]

Okay, then the WB in most of your images is off and must be corrected in post. And you'll get the magenta cast in fixed WB-settings too, unless you change the WB adjusment. I am glad, I must not correct many shots in post with AWB. I only have to correct very few images. But maybe I am more of a documentary photographer and less of an artist, then. 

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[M8X2]

With the last firmware, I had a number of freezing events. For the first time ever since I have the M11, I might add. I hope this is solved now with the new firmware.