Raw or Jpg with your M with Fotos

[jaapv]

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1 hour ago, Photoworks said:

I suppose you can generalize on all the TIFF flavors, on the other hand, DNG is more than just a TIFF

It is. But my point was that the Digilux1raw output was TIFF. DNG is obviously TIFF based but it would be senseless if it would stop there. 

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1 hour ago, jaapv said:

Huh? Why should anybody want to do so?? For use on a phone, phone quality is ample. Do you seriously imply that you can only post Leica snapshots on Facebook? 

No question that phone quality is plenty good for phone posting, but I don't do much shooting with my phone outside of utility shots, visual notes, and the like. 

If the phone is the only camera I've got on me, then sure. But if I'm shooting with any sort of intentionality, I'm probably using one of my Ms.

And if I happen to take a great shot on my M11M or M11, why not hit the Easy Button for sharing it? As you say, the destination is just a bunch of phone screens. The Preview resolution works fine for posting. 

Within its limitations and intended purposes, I find the Fotos app works well. 

And, I've still got the DNG for producing a finished piece of work. All in all, it all works pretty well. 

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1 hour ago, jaapv said:

 Huh? Why should anybody want to do so?? For use on a phone, phone quality is ample. Do you seriously imply that you can only post Leica snapshots on Facebook? 

No. But that there may be a need to share images in the short term but need the DNG later. (I’ve used this for both work and personal projects). That’s why you would not use a phone to take the picture. I would think that is obvious. They are not necessarily single use. 

Edited September 1 by pgh

[jaapv]

That is not what I meant. Of course that might happen. But I personally prefer to do a proper edit before showing anybody. In such a case, if possible, I would take a similar photo with my phone to share. 

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52 minutes ago, DadDadDaddyo said:

No question that phone quality is plenty good for phone posting, but I don't do much shooting with my phone outside of utility shots, visual notes, and the like. 

If the phone is the only camera I've got on me, then sure. But if I'm shooting with any sort of intentionality, I'm probably using one of my Ms.

And if I happen to take a great shot on my M11M or M11, why not hit the Easy Button for sharing it? As you say, the destination is just a bunch of phone screens. The Preview resolution works fine for posting. 

Within its limitations and intended purposes, I find the Fotos app works well. 

And, I've still got the DNG for producing a finished piece of work. All in all, it all works pretty well. 

If I happen to take a great shot I would not dream of sharing it before it were edited properly. 

[Chris W]

Most of the time people I share my quick edits (private message or instagram) with are focussed on the subject, maybe the composition. No one but me and a couple of photographer friends are interested in the finer adjustments I've made in Capture One. Of course I save every DNG to my external drive and properly process the better images.

[tboesgaard]

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For on-the-fly social media, I use the Fotos App with jpegs and minimal edits.

At home it’s DNG’s in Lightroom.

 

The in-camera jpegs are “okay”, but mostly usable for previews. Would have been nice with some in-camera adjustments and profiles. I don’t think DNG’s are needed for all photography - sometimes snapshots are good enough.

[fordfanjpn]

M11M, only shoot raw, process in Lightroom Classic. 

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3 hours ago, Chris W said:

Most of the time people I share my quick edits (private message or instagram) with are focussed on the subject, maybe the composition. No one but me and a couple of photographer friends are interested in the finer adjustments I've made in Capture One. Of course I save every DNG to my external drive and properly process the better images.

Exactly this.

And, I really do try to get a close as I can to what I'm aiming for, right out of the camera. It's ever been the case, even in those golden pure halcyon analog days.

Dodging and burning, polycontrast filters (well, Varigam, originally, at the risk of utterly dating myself): these were always possible, always there, but also kind of a pain in the neck. I've seen these as corrective measures to be employed when necessary. 

It's nothing against editing; if it'll be improved by tweaking, I'll tweak it.

But all along, I'd say, the "envisioning" stage of my pictures has been based on what I can get straight out of the camera, not on what it might be possible to pull off in the darkroom, or in Lightroom, or in Photoshop. That's just not part of how I see and evaluate potential shots.

And, I'm probably just lazy...

Anyway, yeah, for me, Fotos is for firmware and for Instagram. 

By the way, my guess is that before too too long, someone will build cellular connectivity directly into the camera, but it won't be Leica who does it first. 

[Chris W]

That was the Zeiss ZX1 wasn't it?

[eaharman]

I use Fotos on my phone and tablet particularly if I'm taking low level shots on a tripod and don't wish to get down on hands and knees to focus it.

I have an old Android S10 phone and even with that screen it is just possible to reliably focus say a 90mm f2 wide open, but even easier on my S10 tablet which has a much brighter IPS 1440x2304 pixel  display and I find it remarkably responsive and obviates depending upon focus peaking. 

As to jpegs or raw, for social media the former are adequate but for anything serious I prefer the flexibility than DNG's give you whether post-processing in C1 or PS

The attached picture was actually shot with the camera on the ground, as I'd ventured out without even my pocket tripod...

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[Kiwimac]

I use Fotos if I’m travelling. I use it with LR on my iPhone, which is a 1TB 15 Pro Max. I don’t bother taking an iPad or laptop any more. 
 

That way I get quick edits for emailing etc. 

 

When I get home I use the laptop. 

Edited September 4 by Kiwimac

[Kim Dahl]

On 31.8.2025 at 14:24, Photoworks said:

JPG = optagelse med "P"-kameraet med M11 og tillid til resultaterne. Godt for blinde.

DNG+Rediger= Bruger linsekameraets kraft til at give dig en flot fil og redigere den i efterbehandling, så den passer til din vision.

FOTOS-appen kører altid på min telefon. Billederne fra alle de forskellige Leica-kameraer er tagget, og jeg trykker på stjernen på M11, og det overføres til telefonen i baggrunden.
Jeg har et lille billede, som jeg skal bruge LEICA BRS-look på 80% og give det til den person, jeg lige har mødt. Et moderne Polaroid.

Ellers har jeg ingen brug for FOTOS-appen, den er for begrænset og frustrerende.

Hvis man ser på denne sammenligning mellem DNG og JPG, forstår jeg ikke nogen, der vil bruge en JPG som et endeligt resultat, selv med redigering!

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How do you set it up so that your Leica Q or M automatically transfers marked jpg/DNG to your phone? Don't you have to connect your phone to your camera EVERY time you want to transfer? That sounds smart and I'd like to try that. Thanks for the answer. 🥰

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2 hours ago, Kim Dahl said:

How do you set it up so that your Leica Q or M automatically transfers marked jpg/DNG to your phone? Don't you have to connect your phone to your camera EVERY time you want to transfer? That sounds smart and I'd like to try that. Thanks for the answer. 🥰

There’s a setting in leica fotos app, background transfer section, u can opt to mark star and transfer automatically, whereas the other option is to transfer everything as you shoot

[jdlaing]

I use .dng only. I only use Fotos for the GPS.

[LeAlain]

As a longtime photographer I have , since digital arrived, allways worked with raw files. Offcourse, as everyone would say.

However, when I got my first Leica last year, the M10 (I mainly use it for B/W), I turned off the RAW and only used the JPG.

Call me crazy, but the thing is, photography is about photography, it happens in front of you, coincidental or staged, you have to decide whether it is the right light/exposure. Working with jpg means you basically return to the period where you would make a polaroid of a situation, or diapositive (E6), you only get one chance.   I like that. 

A Dutch famous photographer (Paul Huf) once said: "when you take a portrait just make one photo, if you need more you waste material (in the days) and you are not focused on what you do." There's a lot of truth in that. And I like the idea you just get one chance.

However, I do see the downside of it, there's a reason I work with raw files, so I might get back to it, especially if I do buy the M11M, to get the max out of it.

boys and girls and others, what are your thoughts?

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Have the best of two worlds and shoot DNG + JPG

[Photoworks]

6 hours ago, Kim Dahl said:

How do you set it up so that your Leica Q or M automatically transfers marked jpg/DNG to your phone? Don't you have to connect your phone to your camera EVERY time you want to transfer? That sounds smart and I'd like to try that. Thanks for the answer. 🥰

The M11 is supported, I think it is the only camera at this point.

When in play mode, you can press the little button next to the shutter to favorite a picture.

A JPG preview is sent to the camera; it is a 2MP smaller file. This is transferred over BT LE

To transfer raw , you have to make a full connection over wifi or cable.

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1 hour ago, LeAlain said:

As a longtime photographer I have , since digital arrived, allways worked with raw files. Offcourse, as everyone would say.

However, when I got my first Leica last year, the M10 (I mainly use it for B/W), I turned off the RAW and only used the JPG.

Call me crazy, but the thing is, photography is about photography, it happens in front of you, coincidental or staged, you have to decide whether it is the right light/exposure. Working with jpg means you basically return to the period where you would make a polaroid of a situation, or diapositive (E6), you only get one chance.   I like that. 

A Dutch famous photographer (Paul Huf) once said: "when you take a portrait just make one photo, if you need more you waste material (in the days) and you are not focused on what you do." There's a lot of truth in that. And I like the idea you just get one chance.

However, I do see the downside of it, there's a reason I work with raw files, so I might get back to it, especially if I do buy the M11M, to get the max out of it.

boys and girls and others, what are your thoughts?

CRAZY !

I don't think we have to talk about JPG or Raw again, but especially M10 and M11M have to be underexposed to keep the highlight from burning out!

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[jaapv]

And the reason is that a RGB file can reconstruct details when one or two channels are burnt out, a monochrome file obviously not.