jaapv Posted August 30 Share #21 Posted August 30 Advertisement (gone after registration) Design does not take photographs. That is why the L alliance is such a good thing 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted August 30 Share #22 Posted August 30 29 minutes ago, jaapv said: Design does not take photographs. That is why the L alliance is such a good thing Design can make taking photos more enjoyable, which leads to more picture taking, at least for me. It’s an important reason why I use Leica (and many other products), which prioritizes user interfaces, etc. YMMV and all that. I get it; you like Sigma, as you interject continuously. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 30 Share #23 Posted August 30 I like Leica as well, I would not be here otherwise,, and Voigtländer etc. I dislike it when design takes priority over function like Leica did with their 70-200 clone. But for instance I went for the Summicron 50L because Iliked it over Panasonic. However, you are right that I occasionally push back when the forum turns into the adoration of the golden Leica calf. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 30 Share #24 Posted August 30 I don’t adore any inanimate objects, but I do prefer Leica build/design vs Sigma for the lenses I use, which perform as needed, both in form and function. Hasselblad is getting there, if not exceeding in some ways, at increasingly better value. Sigma has nothing to do with my commentary. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted August 30 Share #25 Posted August 30 8 hours ago, Smogg said: The SL still has its strengths compared to the X2D II: IP rating and 100+ focal lengths. For some, semi-compatibility with M lenses is also important. Also, LPC (great for travel and architecture), and LV highlight clipping. The sensor readout is faster, and the focal plane shutter allows better lens adaptation. SL3 features highlight-weighted and matrix metering, whereas X2D's metering is simpler. SL3 has automatic sensor cleaning. Video. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted August 30 Share #26 Posted August 30 14 minutes ago, SrMi said: Also, LPC (great for travel and architecture), and LV highlight clipping. The sensor readout is faster, and the focal plane shutter allows better lens adaptation. SL3 features highlight-weighted and matrix metering, whereas X2D's metering is simpler. SL3 has automatic sensor cleaning. Video. Yes, you are right, I missed these features when thinking about the differences between the cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markey Posted August 30 Share #27 Posted August 30 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 hours ago, Jeff S said: Design can make taking photos more enjoyable, which leads to more picture taking, at least for me. It’s an important reason why I use Leica (and many other products), which prioritizes user interfaces, etc. YMMV and all that. I get it; you like Sigma, as you interject continuously. It makes it more enjoyable for me too although , probably like most , I`ve used products from just about every other manufacturer. I appreciate good industrial design. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted August 30 Share #28 Posted August 30 I recently switched to the x system because HB is better/more convenient in long exposures. I kept a SL though because of the SL summilux. The xcd80 doesn’t work fully with the new x2dii, so the SL will still remain. But, Leica might lose quite some customers to HB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansvons Posted August 30 Share #29 Posted August 30 16 minutes ago, Olaf_ZG said: But, Leica might lose quite some customers to HB. Probably not many. The Q line and the M line are Leica’s power sellers. 4 hours ago, Smogg said: Yes, you are right, I missed these features when thinking about the differences between the cameras. The biggest differences is the SL’s lens ecosystem which is imbedded in the L-Mount Alliance and the fact that it’s not entirely geared towards resolution but also offers with the S a solution for journalists etc. The convenient DNG raw format is another plus, quite contrary to the HB raw system. The APO primes are second to none and the best reason to invest into the SL system. There is no equal in the HB stable yet. And won’t. Because MF and small size are mutually exclusive. And the XD line is all about size (which the SL is not). That said, the SL line is quite niche. As always with Leica, the development cycles are half-beat compared to the rest of the market and HB chooses to play with the big ones here. Why? Because GAS is the reason why people constantly buy and sell gear and what keeps the business running. It’s definitely not the quest for improved image making. HB are now part of that game, somewhat inevitably considering their new owner. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted August 30 Share #30 Posted August 30 8 hours ago, Jeff S said: The Sigma lenses typically lack the elegant, minimalist design aesthetic of the Leica and Hasselblad counterparts. I've had both and don't think I could tell them apart design-wise. There could well be image quality compromises with Sigma, but the Sigma Contemporary 90mm L mount lens was no different in look and feel to the Hasselblad X lenses I had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted August 30 Share #31 Posted August 30 The latest Hasselblad X body seemed great value tome when I saw the price. The deal breaker for me is not being able to edit the files in Capture One (there is a somewhat tedious work around). I use Sigma lenses and M mount with my SL2-S, but the X series lenses are super expensive and often large and heavy. Likewise the official Leica SL lenses I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 30 Share #32 Posted August 30 4 hours ago, Chris W said: I've had both and don't think I could tell them apart design-wise. I think I could easily distinguish between having buttons, switches and rings vs smooth surfaces. Same when it comes to build materials. Very different design philosophies IMO. I do wish, however, that each used internal zoom design more frequently on their larger zooms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted August 30 Share #33 Posted August 30 17 minutes ago, Jeff S said: I think I could easily distinguish between having buttons, switches and rings vs smooth surfaces. All my Sigma lenses have aperture and focus rings, I guess the XCD lenses don't have aperture rings . I prefer manual control of aperture myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flou Posted August 30 Share #34 Posted August 30 I have the M- and the SL-System with a SL 601, SL2-s and APO 35mm and APO 75mm lenses. If I could switch all my SL-stuff for a Hasselblad X2D II + XCD 38 and XCD 90 lenses, I would do it. But I would never give away my M-System. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted August 30 Share #35 Posted August 30 Remember: grass is always greener somewhere else ... or not ;-). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzajl Posted August 30 Share #36 Posted August 30 6 hours ago, hansvons said: It’s definitely not the quest for improved image making. HB are now part of that game, somewhat inevitably considering their new owner. I use a lot of DJI kit for work and have done long enough to have gone through several product cycles. One thing I can confirm is that they don't update products very often and whenever they do, there is always a considerable improvement in performance and IQ. As a commercial MF user, I'm more interested in what they have done with the XD line than anything that's been released since the original GFX100. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul2660 Posted August 31 Share #37 Posted August 31 One interesting fact, all the pre announcement talk in the X2D2 was about DJI and the integration of Lidar for AF. From the manual its only effect for 5 meters net 15 feet. Hopefully the other AF improvements to the PDAF system will help. Also interested to see the negative comments on the 90V. There must be some severe sample issues as mine is excellent and has no harsh corner falloff. The main feature it appears most of the older XCD lenses are missing out on the X2D2 is the continuous AF. As for the SL3, I would still like to see multi shot come out along with focus bracketing. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
o2mpx Posted August 31 Share #38 Posted August 31 For landscapes, color and IQwise the X2D is better than the SL3. When it comes to lenses, the newer P, V, even the lone E zoom series are not as good as the legacy range in the corners, but the newer ranges are much lighter to carry. Putting the APO 35 and 50 M lenses (resisting the APO L’s size and bulk) on the SL3 definitely is on par with the legacy XCD lenses on the HB. The newer X2D II continues to be build in Sweden, and the new 35-100 zoom in Japan, after the lone P75 from China. Assuming HB continues with its brand cachet and the quality build, it’ll be tough for the SL line to catchup. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 31 Share #39 Posted August 31 And people complaining that the SL is too bulky...🙄 https://camerasize.com/compare/#953,938 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted August 31 Share #40 Posted August 31 4 minutes ago, jaapv said: And people complaining that the SL is too bulky...🙄 https://camerasize.com/compare/#953,938 They have some problems with proportions. If you look at their picture, it turns out that 106 is more than 108. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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