sometimesmaybe Posted August 20 Share #21 Posted August 20 Advertisement (gone after registration) 10 hours ago, Coach said: I own the SF60, the transmitter and a Q3. I would like to use them more often but there a not enough tutorials on this topic. So actually very few flash pictures taken ! I hope to increase my skills because it would helping some situations like parties, weddings and so on... there are some great videos on youtube. not leica specific but the principles of using 'on camera' and 'off camera' flash are quite universal and relatively easy to understand. you can get proficient quite quickly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thebarnman Posted August 21 Share #22 Posted August 21 19 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said: IMO it's not up to other brands to adapt to Leica's proprietary firmware, but for Leica to buy in to the firmware settings for Profoto and/or Godox. Godox make triggers that will do TTL with Leica cameras I've read the reason why Profoto equipment isn't fully comparable with Leica equipment is due to the fact Leica won't let Profoto know how their system works and of course I'm assuming proprietary software on Leica's part. I'm just tired of these Profoto flashes being mostly if not fully comparable with Cannon and Nikon and not Leica. Only a certain feature will work but only if it's in full manual mode. What crap is that? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted August 21 Share #23 Posted August 21 8 hours ago, thebarnman said: I've read the reason why Profoto equipment isn't fully comparable with Leica equipment is due to the fact Leica won't let Profoto know how their system works and of course I'm assuming proprietary software on Leica's part. I'm just tired of these Profoto flashes being mostly if not fully comparable with Cannon and Nikon and not Leica. Only a certain feature will work but only if it's in full manual mode. What crap is that? The ethos of an open system isn’t really what Leica tends to be about. They keep closed loop, they keep things proprietary mostly when they can for better or worse. I’m still sort of shocked they signed into the L mount alliance to be honest. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fngl51 Posted August 21 Share #24 Posted August 21 2 hours ago, pgh said: The ethos of an open system isn’t really what Leica tends to be about. They keep closed loop, they keep things proprietary mostly when they can for better or worse. I’m still sort of shocked they signed into the L mount alliance to be honest. Apple plays the same game. The walled garden has helped to maintain a high level of quality/consistency in their offerings as well as product loyalty. But, Apple also provides a path for other companies to make compatible software/hardware, which without Apple would not survive in the marketplace. Open (or at least partially open) systems are essential for customer buy-in and long term survival. Perhaps one other thing to consider along this line of reasoning is that Leica Camera AG is owned by Austrian Capital Management (55%) and the Blackstone Group (45%( of the USA. That may have a bearing on the business decision to provide an entry into Leica's walled garden. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted August 21 Share #25 Posted August 21 49 minutes ago, fngl51 said: Apple plays the same game. The walled garden has helped to maintain a high level of quality/consistency in their offerings as well as product loyalty. But, Apple also provides a path for other companies to make compatible software/hardware, which without Apple would not survive in the marketplace. Open (or at least partially open) systems are essential for customer buy-in and long term survival. Nissin is no Apple. IMHO 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted August 21 Share #26 Posted August 21 (edited) ^ Yes, Apple plays the same game, but they do a better job of it - I don’t know of any/many examples of Apple letting subpar makers make their main product while they add onto it basically just a logo. The private equity ownership of it may play a role (undoubtedly I am not a fan of this condition), though I don’t know if it’s much different than before that was the case as Leica has historically been a little bit fussy as a brand. For my part, I don’t know why Leica haven’t released a well balanced and small flash for the M like the old Contax TLA 200 or the more recent Fujifilm Ef-X20. I have and sometimes use the SF-40 which is totally fine and totally overpriced but a smaller flash is the real ticket. Yes there are compromises there - power, recycle times, increased red-eye potentially - and yet I would still use that the most. Edited August 21 by pgh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fngl51 Posted August 21 Share #27 Posted August 21 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, ynp said: Nissin is no Apple. IMHO I think you.missed the point. The comparison is between Apple and Leica, with the additional reference made to the acquisition of Leica by two investment groups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted August 21 Share #28 Posted August 21 1 minute ago, fngl51 said: I think you.missed the point. The comparison is between Apple and Leica, with the additional reference made to the acquisition of Leica by two investment groups. I think we could just say Leica is no Apple, in this regard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 21 Share #29 Posted August 21 5 minutes ago, pgh said: [...] I don’t know why Leica haven’t released a well balanced and small flash for the M [...] They have until Metz quit the flash business (SF20, SF24, SF26). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted August 21 Share #30 Posted August 21 23 minutes ago, lct said: They have until Metz quit the flash business (SF20, SF24, SF26). None of those are really that close to what I’m referring to though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 21 Share #31 Posted August 21 (edited) • Edited August 21 by lct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted August 21 Share #32 Posted August 21 54 minutes ago, pgh said: like the old Contax TLA 200 or the more recent Fujifilm Ef-X20 @lct 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_Miller Posted August 21 Share #33 Posted August 21 (edited) On 8/19/2025 at 1:57 PM, LocalHero1953 said: Leica: please stop selling overpriced, rebadged flashes, just make your cameras compatible with other brand flashes. Since camera makers use all use propreitary flash protocols, Leica would have to license those of another maker in order to make Leica cameras compatable with flashes for that brand. So the flashes would be cheaper, but the cameras more expensive. 😃 Edited August 21 by Luke_Miller 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimesmaybe Posted August 21 Share #34 Posted August 21 4 hours ago, Luke_Miller said: Since camera makers use all use propreitary flash protocols, Leica would have to license those of another maker in order to make Leica cameras compatable with flashes for that brand. or just make their protocols open for godox and profoto to use... maybe a version of L mount alliance for flash 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Posted August 22 Share #35 Posted August 22 13 hours ago, sometimesmaybe said: or just make their protocols open for godox and profoto to use... maybe a version of L mount alliance for flash Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Posted August 22 Share #36 Posted August 22 On 8/21/2025 at 12:50 AM, sometimesmaybe said: there are some great videos on youtube. not leica specific but the principles of using 'on camera' and 'off camera' flash are quite universal and relatively easy to understand. you can get proficient quite quickly THanks for your answer, I will check that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
businessasusual Posted August 23 Share #37 Posted August 23 On 8/20/2025 at 7:07 AM, adespen said: I bought my SF24D a few years back and have never used it. Now my Canon is getting the Stopmotion animation firmware upgrade, I will take it out and have fun. Thanks for prompting me. For some reason I ended up with 2 of them, bought new years ago and hardly used. I note they are selling for twice what I paid for mine new then, now. I don’t use flashes but want to at least become good at piecing it together for future reference, fill light etc. SF24D are really beautiful compact flashes. My thought is future collectors item. I much prefer them over the bulk of current designs. Sleek as. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_Miller Posted August 23 Share #38 Posted August 23 On 8/21/2025 at 6:16 PM, sometimesmaybe said: or just make their protocols open for godox and profoto to use... maybe a version of L mount alliance for flash Leica has made their flash protocosl available to Profoto. The there is a Profoto Connect flash controller for Leica cameras. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimesmaybe Posted August 24 Share #39 Posted August 24 On 8/24/2025 at 12:01 AM, Luke_Miller said: Leica has made their flash protocosl available to Profoto i accept there is a profoto trigger for leica, but was there any actual co-op between them or did profoto just reverse engineer it? from memory there is only limited HSS support for M up to 1/1000 ive also contacted godox previously about M compatibility. they basically told me they only tested on m10. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_Miller Posted August 24 Share #40 Posted August 24 56 minutes ago, sometimesmaybe said: i accept there is a profoto trigger for leica, but was there any actual co-op between them or did profoto just reverse engineer it? I don't know, but I recall reading (I think on this forum) that it was a cooperative effort. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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