Focus point toggle or center or move

[Pelu2010]

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Hi,  

when using the m11 with 21mm or 90mm it often happens to me that the focuspoint jumps to the corner or down or anywhere. 
 

I would love to lock it in the center ! 
but I can’t find any menu to do this.

 

whrn the focus point is outside the center, it takes forever to move it? Why is that, on the q it’s faster and on the sl too. 
 

And I would love to have the ability to toggle it to the center if needed. 
 

hoe are you dealing with this issue? 
 

cheers peter 

[IMAGEPOWER]

vor 8 Minuten schrieb Pelu2010:

Hi,  

when using the m11 with 21mm or 90mm it often happens to me that the focuspoint jumps to the corner or down or anywhere. 
 

I would love to lock it in the center ! 
but I can’t find any menu to do this.

 

whrn the focus point is outside the center, it takes forever to move it? Why is that, on the q it’s faster and on the sl too. 
 

And I would love to have the ability to toggle it to the center if needed. 
 

hoe are you dealing with this issue? 
 

cheers peter 

Same problem here. A real pain in the ...

2 ways to tackle the problem:

1) you can assign the center focus point (cross) to the thumb wheel. Then one click on the thumb wheel will center the focus point. No solution for me as I assigned ISO to the thumbwheel click, which is more important to me.

2) Camera OFF and ON again, then the focus point is centered again. Not ideal but faster than trying to relocate the focus point manually to the center

[Pelu2010]

19 minutes ago, IMAGEPOWER said:

Same problem here. A real pain in the ...

2 ways to tackle the problem:

1) you can assign the center focus point (cross) to the thumb wheel. Then one click on the thumb wheel will center the focus point. No solution for me as I assigned ISO to the thumbwheel click, which is more important to me.

2) Camera OFF and ON again, then the focus point is centered again. Not ideal but faster than trying to relocate the focus point manually to the center

1) I have the exposure compensation there

2) I am doing this already , but this s…. 
I hate this. 
 

[Smogg]

Just turn Liveview off/on

[lct]

54 minutes ago, Smogg said:

Just turn Liveview off/on

+1 so just 2 clicks on the same button if you assign the function button to LV.

[Pelu2010]

3 hours ago, Smogg said:

Just turn Liveview off/on

Checked it. Does not work every time. Sometimes I need to do it twice until it works. I don’t know what I am doing differently. 

[Smogg]

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2 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said:

Checked it. Does not work every time. Sometimes I need to do it twice until it works. I don’t know what I am doing differently. 

This is strange, because this method always works for me.🤷‍♂️

[lct]

5 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said:

Checked it. Does not work every time. Sometimes I need to do it twice until it works. I don’t know what I am doing differently. 

You mean 2 or 4 clicks on the fn button? 2 are enough for me, the 1st one for LV off and the 2nd one for LV on.

[justj]

Just one tap on the center of the LCD to reposition the focus point or anywhere you want.  It's that simple.

[Pelu2010]

58 minutes ago, justj said:

Just one tap on the center of the LCD to reposition the focus point or anywhere you want.  It's that simple.

Hey, yes I know. But its unreliable too. 
And if you are shooting in a crowed and you need to switch hand position it’s taking away the flow. 
 

sometimes I use my nose to position the focus area.

if I have time it’s not a problem. Unding care about it at all. 
but under stress at a concert it’s frustrating me. 
 

 

[M11 for me]

I understand your point. With the firmware that we have at the moment there is no solution.

Another little hint maybe: Use the spot metering. Then at least the metering and the focus point are the same point in the frame.

[justj]

1 hour ago, Pelu2010 said:

you need to switch hand position it’s taking away the flow

Why the need to switch hand? Put your index finger on the shutter and use your thumb to tap the LCD.

Edited July 28 by justj

[jaapv]

To me it proves that I made the right decision not to consider the M11. By overfeaturing it in an attempt to attract a new customer group Leica drifted too far from the M philosophy. These are things that belong in an EVF-AF camera, not on a rangefinder manual camera with an auxiliary EVF.  The rangefinder is for focusing, the Live View/Visoflex for the occasional situation when the RF cannot be used, thus of limited functionality. 
 

I think that this kind of feature creep will eventually kill off the M line. 

[Pelu2010]

1 minute ago, jaapv said:

To me it proves that I made the right decision not to consider the M11. By overfeaturing it in an attempt to attract a new customer group Leica drifted too far from the M philosophy. These are things that belong in an EVF-AF camera, not on a rangefinder manual camera with an auxiliary EVF.  The rangefinder is forum focusing, the Live View/Visoflex for the occasional situation when the RF cannot be used, thus of limited functionality. 
 

I think that this kind of feature creep will eventually kill off the M line. 

 

Hey Jaap, 

this problem comes up, when I am using lenses that are longer than 50mm or if I am cranking the lens to get shallower focus. In this situation both of my hands are in action and I can’t use my left hand to do the refocusing. And it’s a 90mm 1:1.25 so the focus is so shallow that I can’t match this in a concert. That’s why I switch to the screen. And I am thinking of buying the evf for just this kind of purposes. 
 

And I don’t see a big problem for all other users if the focus zoom can be fixed in the center or can be reset to the center. 
 

It’s just if it can’t be (and other leicas can) it makes me wonder why? 
 

I can work around it no problem! 
But I was curious if other user are experiencing the same problem. That’s all. 
 

I can work with my M2 very nice and slowly. But I wouldn’t use it on the same job with the 90mm, because I could not be sure that the image is sharp. 
 

And yes I am aware that there is a magnification that helps with the focus. 
 

thats all. 
 

 

[Pelu2010]

That are some images where I had the problem. 

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[M11 for me]

We might have to wait for a firmware Update. Leica is aware of that point.

Edited July 28 by M11 for me

[lct]

Double click on the fn button works 100% if needed so i don't see any issue personally. Fast and easy.

[jaapv]

25 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said:

Hey Jaap, 

this problem comes up, when I am using lenses that are longer than 50mm or if I am cranking the lens to get shallower focus. In this situation both of my hands are in action and I can’t use my left hand to do the refocusing. And it’s a 90mm 1:1.25 so the focus is so shallow that I can’t match this in a concert. That’s why I switch to the screen. And I am thinking of buying the evf for just this kind of purposes. 
 

And I don’t see a big problem for all other users if the focus zoom can be fixed in the center or can be reset to the center. 
 

It’s just if it can’t be (and other leicas can) it makes me wonder why? 
 

I can work around it no problem! 
But I was curious if other user are experiencing the same problem. That’s all. 
 

I can work with my M2 very nice and slowly. But I wouldn’t use it on the same job with the 90mm, because I could not be sure that the image is sharp. 
 

And yes I am aware that there is a magnification that helps with the focus. 
 

thats all. 
 

 

It all depends on the eyesight of the user and the proper adaptation of the camera to the vision of the user, but normally RF focusing up to and including fast 90 mm lenses should be faster and more accurate than other focus aids. EVF/LV should be supplemental  for longer and wider lenses, otherwise users will run into the limitations of the auxiliary system, like in this thread. 
That is why I think that Sonyfying the M series is such a bad idea. 
I certainly don’t say anything negative about owners using the camera to the extent of features offered, it is logical to do so, but I question the wisdom of grafting on things that simply don’t belong on a RF to compete with cameras that are designed to use modern technology from the ground up. It will always lead to limitations imposed by the inevitable compromises and take away from the Gestalt of the camera. 

[M11 for me]

vor 6 Minuten schrieb lct:

Double click on the fn button works 100% if needed so i don't see any issue personally. Fast and easy.

Long-pres the fn button: What do you have behind? Maybe LiveView?

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[lct]

Just now, M11 for me said:

Long-pres the fn button: What do you have behind? Maybe LiveView?

Suffice it to select LV if you want to assign the fn button to it. Do you see any difficulty in this? In my case it works like that since 2022 so i don't think of it anymore.