Leica M11-D 100 YEARS OF LEICA

[hillavoider]

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3 hours ago, pippy said:

I 'only' have the M-D Typ-262 so things might be different on the M11-D but taking that nugget into consideration and to address your points;

With screenless cameras battery life is extended - by a conservative margin - five-fold. The actual margin might be four times greater than that or even more. I don't know; in the six years of using the screenless variant I have never once seen the battery level drop below 75% and that was after a HARD day's shoot of several hundred images captured. But I do carry one spare battery 'just in case'. Then again; I have never needed to use the spare. In six years.

The M-D Typ-262 doesn't have Internal Memory Space. It doesn't need it. Who 'Needs' "internal memory space"? See below;

SD Cards? I have some. If 'space' is running out (there is a count-down in the OVF) I swap cards. As modern card-capacities are so massive I've never once needed to do so.

White Balance? Do you shoot in DNG?

That small detail aside how do YOU program your cameras for the precise Kelvin Value for any time of day from second to second (I lived in Edinburgh!) in whichever part of the world you are in at the time? Unless you use a Colour-Temperature Meter (as I did in times gone by) to verify the exact colour temperature frame-by-frame you are simply guessing. Apart from all that if you haven't taken K notes for each exposure and are shooting in DNG then you are going to be pissing in the river in any case.

Lens Detection? Ah! THAT explains why all those pre-2006 photographs taken using Leica cameras are shite! Lack of Lens Detection!!! Now We Know.

Aperture; Shutter-Speed; Focus.....and ability.

The Important Stuff.

 

well each to there own, interesting they put a memory indicator in the view finder and not a battery indicator as well.

i'm glad you like your M-D, but for me its a camera that makes absolutely no sense 

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[IkarusJohn]

4 hours ago, hillavoider said:

yes 'superfluous baggage'' 

how would you know the battery level - is it in the view finder? or simply carry lots of batteries just in case 

Internal memory space

SD card space 

white balance 

lens detection 

etc 

all that unimportant stuff 

🙂

I’m not sure how people cope with film, then …

I have the M10-D.  Responding to your essentials:

• how would you know the battery level - is it in the view finder? or simply carry lots of batteries just in case  - yes, when you turn the camera on.  Like Pippy, I carry a spare and have rarely used it.  Also, if you press the fn button, the information is displayed in the viewfinder.
• Internal memory space - don’t have it, not sure why I would need to know as I download all images at the end of the day.  My X2D has 1 TB of internal space, and I never check it.  How many photos would that be?  10,000?  Can’t recall the size of the internal memory in the M11-D.  No one seems to be complaining that it’s too small.  A lot else, but not that.
• SD card space - displayed when the camera fires up, and if you press the fn button
• white balance - AWB, and adjust my DNG files in post.  I don’t do JPEGs.
• lens detection - all my M lenses, apart from my adapted LTM 50 Summitar, are coded.  Even so, if I want to add the lens information to the EXIF data, I can do that in post.
• etc - let’s see.  Yes, I use my iPhone as a remote.  Can’t think of any other reason I need the Fotos App to use my camera.

Here’s the novelty, and perhaps the point of the D series cameras - you turn it on, check the ISO (if you must), set the aperture, frame, focus, check the shutter speed, take the photo and move on.

Meanwhile, you’re checking the white balance (grey card?), making sure the lens has been detected because your lenses aren’t coded, then you do the same thing as above, then check the image on the screen?  Just wondering what you do that is so essential than you can’t use a film camera or one of the D series digitals.

It’s actually a serious question, since you said you can’t use the camera without access to the Fotos App …  I’m less concerned about your opinion that the camera is a dumb idea.  Each to their own.

 

[SrMi]

5 hours ago, hillavoider said:

yes 'superfluous baggage'' 

how would you know the battery level - is it in the view finder? or simply carry lots of batteries just in case 

Internal memory space

SD card space 

white balance 

lens detection 

etc 

all that unimportant stuff 

🙂

Pressing the Fn button circulates the following information:

– Remaining number of shots
– Remaining battery charge in %
– USB mode
– Storage Mode
– Connectivity Mode
– Leica Content Credentials (Cr)
– "Wi-Fi" Mode (5 GHz/2.4 GHz)
– Exposure time

My WB is fixed, like it is when shooting film. 

[hillavoider]

Hi John, Yes they are definitely a novelty 

[IkarusJohn]

1 hour ago, hillavoider said:

Hi John, Yes they are definitely a novelty 

I wouldn’t say that at all …

[evikne]

8 hours ago, pippy said:

A number of years ago whilst discussing 'Photography' with our then-13-y-o daughter - who had just recently started taking Weekend Classes in the Art - she expressed a strong interest in shooting Film as did her best friend who happened to be attending the same course. 

I knew (long story) that the Nikkormat FT models would be a perfect starting-place and ended up buying some examples and the two girls were given free-choice of which bodies they would like to have for themselves. Here is an assembly of the majority of cameras on offer with the sole exception of the Black-Paint Standard Prism F (top-left) which, along with my trusty M2, took me all the way through my own student years. That camera will never leave me (and, currently, is loaded with a roll of XP2);

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Oddly enough - for my way of thinking - the girls each chose an example of the Silver-Chrome bodies with the plastic-tipped wind-on lever (both on bottom row). My own favourite / choice would have been the B-P FTn top-right. But what do I know?......😸......

Philip.

I agree with the girls. If I were to choose a camera purely on looks, I'd go for one of the silver-chrome bodies. 😊

[T25UFO]

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1 hour ago, IkarusJohn said:

I wouldn’t say that at all …

I don't think we should take the man who avoids hills too seriously.  I can't remember ever seeing a post that wasn't critical of Leica.  Maybe that's what he enjoys, as well as being a flat lander 😂

[robbie3]

9 hours ago, pippy said:

A number of years ago whilst discussing 'Photography' with our then-13-y-o daughter - who had just recently started taking Weekend Classes in the Art - she expressed a strong interest in shooting Film as did her best friend who happened to be attending the same course. 

I knew (long story) that the Nikkormat FT models would be a perfect starting-place and ended up buying some examples and the two girls were given free-choice of which bodies they would like to have for themselves. Here is an assembly of the majority of cameras on offer with the sole exception of the Black-Paint Standard Prism F (top-left) which, along with my trusty M2, took me all the way through my own student years. That camera will never leave me (and, currently, is loaded with a roll of XP2);

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

Oddly enough - for my way of thinking - the girls each chose an example of the Silver-Chrome bodies with the plastic-tipped wind-on lever (both on bottom row). My own favourite / choice would have been the B-P FTn top-right. But what do I know?......😸......

Philip.

Isn’t the B-P FTn with 50mm Nikkor-S 50mm f/1.4 (top right) the only camera/lens combination Bernard Plossu uses (apart from some toy cameras).

I’ve just bought his Western Colors book where it’s mentioned. For me the book stands out for of the use of charcoal colour prints (Fresson carbon printing process).

Apologies for veering a little off topic.

[pippy]

31 minutes ago, robbie3 said:

Isn’t the B-P FTn with 50mm Nikkor-S 50mm f/1.4 (top right) the only camera/lens combination Bernard Plossu uses (apart from some toy cameras).

I’ve just bought his Western Colors book where it’s mentioned. For me the book stands out for of the use of charcoal colour prints (Fresson carbon printing process).

Apologies for veering a little off topic.

Thanks for veering a little off-topic, Robbie, as the name Bernard Plossu was new to me. Having just looked through some of his works I realist that I have been missing out; some gorgeous images and, as you mention, the colours which he achieves using the Fresson process are stunning!

Philip.

[pippy]

5 hours ago, hillavoider said:

well each to there own, interesting they put a memory indicator in the view finder and not a battery indicator as well.

i'm glad you like your M-D, but for me its a camera that makes absolutely no sense 

As has been mentioned there is a battery indicator display can be checked in the v/f and, as you say, each to their own.

Philip.

[hillavoider]

4 hours ago, IkarusJohn said:

I wouldn’t say that at all …

Omg but you did. 😂 

You don’t need to sell me one it’s just not for me 

 

[hillavoider]

2 hours ago, T25UFO said:

I don't think we should take the man who avoids hills too seriously.  I can't remember ever seeing a post that wasn't critical of Leica.  Maybe that's what he enjoys, as well as being a flat lander 😂

😀 You must be new here 

Edited July 1 by hillavoider

[pippy]

7 hours ago, hillavoider said:

Hi John, Yes they are definitely a novelty 

You are quite correct; in the world of digital photography creating the range of D cameras most certainly was a novelty.

Here - for the avoidance of any doubt - is the very first entry / definition of 'Novelty' from the Oxford Dictionary;

"Noun: novelty : 1. The quality of being new, original, or unusual..." 

 

The entire ethos behind the D cameras fits in with this definition. Were they a new concept? Yes. Was the models' prime-difference original? Yes. Was it - and are they still to this day - unusual? Yes.

 

Carry On!

 

Philip.

Edited July 1 by pippy

[T25UFO]

4 hours ago, pippy said:

You are quite correct; in the world of digital photography creating the range of D cameras most certainly was a novelty.

Here - for the avoidance of any doubt - is the very first entry / definition of 'Novelty' from the Oxford Dictionary;

"Noun: novelty : 1. The quality of being new, original, or unusual..." 

 

The entire ethos behind the D cameras fits in with this definition. Were they a new concept? Yes. Was the models' prime-difference original? Yes. Was it - and are they still to this day - unusual? Yes.

 

Carry On!

 

Philip.

Must say I do like the way you structure the argument 🙂

[pippy]

36 minutes ago, T25UFO said:

Must say I do like the way you structure the argument 🙂

The English Language is a rich & fertile playground, T25UFO, and "Amicable Discussion" rather than argument surely?

Philip.

Edited July 1 by pippy

[costa43]

1 hour ago, T25UFO said:

Must say I do like the way you structure the argument 🙂

Philip is very powerful, I once told a chap that the 35mm frame lines on an M9 where pretty accurate for a 40mm lens. Philip on the next post described in detail with scientific examples why they were not so accurate. I logged off and opened a beer..

[pippy]

5 minutes ago, costa43 said:

Philip is very powerful, I once told a chap that the 35mm frame lines on an M9 where pretty accurate for a 40mm lens. Philip on the next post described in detail with scientific examples why they were not so accurate. I logged off and opened a beer..

What a remarkable coincidence, Costa; So Did I......😸......

Philip.

Edited July 1 by pippy

[thierry40]

59 minutes ago, costa43 said:

Philip is very powerful, I once told a chap that the 35mm frame lines on an M9 where pretty accurate for a 40mm lens. Philip on the next post described in detail with scientific examples why they were not so accurate. I logged off and opened a beer..

Popping in the conv. Is there a discussion about the range finder lines ? I am new to it and although I use one lens mainly, I would love to understand. Thanks is 

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[pedaes]

30 minutes ago, thierry40 said:

Popping in the conv. Is there a discussion about the range finder lines ? I am new to it and although I use one lens mainly, I would love to understand. Thanks is 

There are frame lines* which give a pretty good representation of the lenses field of view (and without trying to be to detailed, have to mention these move with focus to compensate for parallax as lens and viewfinder are on different planes). Also need to understand inner and outer edges of lines as per the Manual. 

(The discussion was debating whether the 35mm frame lines are a good, or not, proxy for a 40mm lens)

Then there are the rangefinder split image 'lines?' used for focus.

I think.

Now, what was the question?

*In pairs

Edited July 1 by pedaes

[IkarusJohn]

11 hours ago, T25UFO said:

I don't think we should take the man who avoids hills too seriously.  I can't remember ever seeing a post that wasn't critical of Leica.  Maybe that's what he enjoys, as well as being a flat lander 😂

True.