Leica Forum: Only Leica pictures or also L-Mount?

[S Maclean]

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4 hours ago, jaapv said:

Or a Leica partner brand.

I would place that "in combination with"  so, for example, If I use a hasselbload with a Sigma lens......how is that relevant to this forum?  But If I use the Hasselblad with a Leica Lens (even one that is related through the alliance to Sigma) Then it is valid.  Because theoreticaly Leica does "modify" some aspects of the alliance equipment to make it Leica, and the other brands do the same with the Leica contributions to make them..."sigma" for example.

Now, when comapring equipment, be it alliance, exclusive or a compeltely non affiliated third party then it makes sense that the other brands are openly displayed....But this is for comparison threads or posts.

The key, to me, is on disclosure.  I can't just get a medium format Hasselblad image and post it in  Leica forum SL system thread without disclosure, it is misrepresenting the brand (for good or bad or indifferent reasons) anyone that is looking into learning about Leica, being insprired to stretch the use of their equipment, deciding on a next purchase or simply enjoying a specific niche is ill served.

That is what Flickr, Instagram and facebook are for.... (IMO, not trying to judge)

Edited June 11 by S Maclean

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[Olaf_ZG]

I think a 5th subthread to the SL chapter will do: non-leica related l-mount.

and at the same time we could may be clean the camera part from all the lens related topic by moving the latter the the lens part…

[Olaf_ZG]

I guess this will get me a warning ⚠️… a special hasselblad thread would be nice as well 😎

[andybarton]

16 minutes ago, S Maclean said:

I think the first option allows for mix and match. Pictures taken with Leica Camera OR Leica Lens

 

That’s the way the Forum has always been, back to 2002

[otto.f]

I cannot choose between the 3 options in the poll. I don't care so much about the camera's used, the lense used is the most interesting information.

At the moment there are already different chapters for M, SL, S, Q, etc. So what's the problem with a Panasonic chapter, or even non-Leica lenses with an M-mount.

 

Edited June 11 by otto.f

[Doug A]

I should recuse myself from this vote. I don't have an M-mount camera, an L-mount camera, or a lens compatible with either of these mounts. My involvement with Leica, and mostly with the LUF, involves Leica screw mount cameras, Leica and other manufacturers' LTM lenses and film photographs. I have nothing against digital cameras or digital photographs but they are not why I read or participate in the LUF. I follow only the I Like Film thread in the Photo Forum. 

I post scans of film shot with my TLM Leica cameras and various LTM lenses. I use a Fuji X-Trans camera and an LTM Nikkor enlarging lens to digitize my negatives. I could use one of my Leica LTM lenses to take pictures with the Fuji camera but I would not post them on the LUF because I don't think they would be in the spirit of the forum. I sort of feel the same way about the L-mount but whatever is decided here is fine with me. 

[lct]

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42 minutes ago, andybarton said:

That’s the way the Forum has always been, back to 2002

And a good way if you ask me. 23 years of peace and quiet, with no idle arguments about what this or that rule means, or whether this or that exception can be accepted. The simpler a rule is, the better chance it has of working 😎

[evikne]

50 minutes ago, otto.f said:

I don't care so much about the camera's used, the lense used is the most interesting information.

At the moment there are already different chapters for M, SL, S, Q, etc. So what's the problem with a Panasonic chapter, or even non-Leica lenses with an M-mount.

Me too. The lens is the most interesting thing. If you put a non-Leica lens on a Leica camera, there's not much Leica left in the image. But I don't really care much, as long as all images are clearly labeled with equipment used.

[UliWer]

57 minutes ago, otto.f said:

So what's the problem with a Panasonic chapter, or even non-Leica lenses with an M-mount.

What‘s the point of more „chapters“? You find many threads about Panasonic cameras and lenses in the L-mount Forum and many about Voigtländer et al with M-mount in the M-Forum. I don‘t understand the wish for further segregation, it only makes the Forum less usable. 

[jaapv]

1 hour ago, Olaf_ZG said:

I think a 5th subthread to the SL chapter will do: non-leica related l-mount.

and at the same time we could may be clean the camera part from all the lens related topic by moving the latter the the lens part…

Which is exactly  what we do. Please report if we miss one 

[jaapv]

1 hour ago, otto.f said:

I cannot choose between the 3 options in the poll. I don't care so much about the camera's used, the lense used is the most interesting information.

At the moment there are already different chapters for M, SL, S, Q, etc. So what's the problem with a Panasonic chapter, or even non-Leica lenses with an M-mount.

 

The problem is that we have such chapters for L mount. 

[jaapv]

My suggestion:

keep it as is (*),encourage people to mention their gear with the image and maybe clarify the existing rules.  If we would make too much of a point of this it would muddle up the forum and throw a lot of unnecessary strain on the moderation. 

From a moderator's point of view the present system runs quite smoothly but sensible refinements are always welcome.

(*) Leica first and mix and match with L mount allowed. 

[UliWer]

31 minutes ago, jaapv said:

keep it as is

Yes, for sure.

31 minutes ago, jaapv said:

(*) Leica first and mix and match with L mount allowed. 

As it is the L-mount is allowed also without any Leica mix and match. 

 

33 minutes ago, jaapv said:

If we would make too much of a point of this it would muddle up the forum and throw a lot of unnecessary strain on the moderation. 

Yes! Let‘s avoid this in any case. 

[jaapv]

5 minutes ago, UliWer said:

As it is the L-mount is allowed also without any Leica mix and match

Maybe a bit of an ellipse: that is what I meant.  Leica is the touchstone and feel free to use  L Alliance gear in the appropriate threads.  Which depends on the context.

[3D-Kraft.com]

I still maintain that a photo taken with an M-mount lens (including Voigtländer, Thypoch, etc.) has sufficient "Leica relevance," even if the body doesn't bear the Leica label. It always reveals, to a certain extent, the lens's characteristics and character, which have a significant influence on the image, and thus provides an idea of what to expect from the lens on a different M-mount body — thus, it is also Leica-relevant.

However, if a majority doesn't consider this reference sufficient, and only the red dot or the Leica logo on the lens or body is considered qualifying, I can accept that as a rule. However, then I also no longer see sufficient justification for photos taken with non-Leica lenses on non-Leica bodies simply because they use an L-mount. The mere fact that another company shares the electrical and mechanical properties of the L-Mount with a Leica SL is not a sufficient reference for me, because the shared mount alone probably no longer has any significant influence on the image itself.

[lct]

Keep it simple 😇

[tappan]

Thank you for this discussion. 
For me, I would like to see a sub category that might simply be titled: 
"Your non-Leica photos"
It would be fun to show off some of our works that might not be Leica, however, I would not want an equipment discussion.
Let's leave the technical discussions (about camera and lenses) to Leica products.
Mark

[3D-Kraft.com]

vor 46 Minuten schrieb tappan:

For me, I would like to see a sub category that might simply be titled: 
"Your non-Leica photos"

I think, this already opens the door too wide, when there show up photos without any "Leica relevance".

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[jaapv]

2 hours ago, 3D-Kraft.com said:

 if a majority doesn't consider

This is a consultation, not a voting process. I the end Andreas sets the rules. 

[TL3]

Agree with expanding definition of Leica gear to Panasonic Leica lenses as well as their cobranded phone and Insta360 products, although I don't know how many people are actually interested in posting about those.  I bought a Panasonic Leica 100-400 for safari instead of Olympus precisely to somewhat stay within the Leica universe.